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 Jan 26, 12, 06:13    #1
Who decides the ethos of PolishForums? Where, how, and who draws the lines? Us? The moderators? Is the coarsening of PF inevitable? Do we tolerate racism, dogmatism, fanaticism, overt misogyny, more than we tolerate "straying off topic"? Have we decided it's more important to be heard than to be decent? This is our forum. Let's not rely on mods to "take out the trash". Let's decide what's important to us, the open-minded users of PF, and choose our battles more wisely. Let's not engage with those that discount taste, respect, and a modicum of civility. We can elevate the discussions, and ourselves in the process. Thanks.

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Edited by: rozumiemnic  Jan 26, 12, 10:42    #2
jasondmzk:
Do we tolerate racism, dogmatism, fanaticism, overt misogyny, more than we tolerate "straying off topic"?

apparently, yes. In fact some posts are deemed as 'off topic' and binned, because certain moderators do not agree with them. Or so it seems.
Good post.
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 Jan 26, 12, 10:53    #3
rozumiemnic:
In fact some posts are deemed as 'off topic' and binned, because certain moderators do not agree with them. Or so it seems.

Some entire threads get binned too....I think to add to certain people not agreeing I sometimes think they just are not bright enough to follow some threads and chop them up till they get down to some Fox News level of absurd hyperbole.
How many times have threads full of rascist trash had all the positive posts edited out?
Oh,as an FYI to who ever it was....Yesterday was Burns Day in Scotland, so I posted Burns' Salute to a Haggis in the off topic section knowing lots of Scots and people interested in Scotland come on this forum,Id barely turned my back before the entire thread had been put in Random Chat.........like I say, being a bit dim should not qualify as a an excuse for weird arse moding should it?
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Edited by: JonnyM  Jan 26, 12, 11:09    #4
isthatu2:
I posted Burns' Salute to a Haggis in the off topic section knowing lots of Scots and people interested in Scotland come on this forum,Id barely turned my back before the entire thread had been put in Random Chat

A bit weird really since it had been posted in the Off-Topic Lounge. I'm not surprised you're irritated.

What was the justification and who trashed it? An answer might go some way to understanding a bit more clearly what is acceptable in the Off-Topic Lounge and what isn't.
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 Jan 26, 12, 11:13    #5
jasondmzk:
Do we tolerate racism, dogmatism, fanaticism, overt misogyny, more than we tolerate "straying off topic"?

Yep, people are all different regardless of their intelectual capacity. If somebody has a specific view i want to hear it, its educatoinal. Screw whats politically correct, the truth wins - hands down everytime.

jasondmzk:
This is our forum

'Youve' only been posting a few days.
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 Jan 26, 12, 11:19    #6
isthatu2:
How many times have threads full of rascist trash had all the positive posts edited out?


I have noticed that once or twice recently, yes.

Wroclaw Boy:
If somebody has a specific view i want to hear it,


True.

isthatu2:
m,Id barely turned my back before the entire thread had been put in Random Chat..


I know. I once started a thread about a certain Polish artist in London who died recently, with his photo, wondering if anyone else had heard of him, and the thread was just deleted immidiately.
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 Jan 26, 12, 11:28    #7
Wroclaw Boy:
Screw whats politically correct

Practicing respect and good manners shouldn't curtail your ability to opine. Unless, of course, you weren't TAUGHT respect and good manners. In which case, you're too old for me to teach them to you now, boy.
Wroclaw Boy:
the truth wins - hands down everytime.

There's the problem. You see a discourse as a competition, not a meeting of the minds. There is no final arbiter, there's no judge, there's no prize.
Wroclaw Boy:
'Youve' only been posting a few days.

I'll let you know when to worry about it.
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 Jan 26, 12, 11:34    #8
jasondmzk:
Unless, of course, you weren't TAUGHT respect and good manners.

WB seems to me to be one of the more reasonable posters here tbh.
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 Jan 26, 12, 11:44    #9
rozumiemnic:
WB seems to me to be one of the more reasonable posters here tbh.

A status I'm sure he'll be glad to remind us of, quickly, and often.
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Edited by: Moderator  Jan 26, 12, 11:54    #10
jasondmzk:
Unless, of course, you weren't TAUGHT respect and good manners.

People are people regardless of what they were taught.

jasondmzk:
You see a discourse as a competition, not a meeting of the minds. There is no final arbiter, there's no judge, there's no prize.

Youre missing the point, different people, different minds, we are all individual.

jasondmzk:
I'll let you know when to worry about it.

calm down edit
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Edited by: modafinil  Jan 26, 12, 13:40    #11
rozumiemnic:
I have noticed that once or twice recently, yes.


I made a comment yesterday about yet another one of an obvious racist's continually erroneous posts. My post was deleted, his stayed. Whoever 'moderated' so pathetically inconsistently is an idiot. If they weren't supposedly cleaning this forum, they'd be cleaning bogs.
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 Feb 16, 12, 08:23    #12
jasondmzk:
Practicing respect and good manners shouldn't curtail your ability to opine. Unless, of course, you weren't TAUGHT respect and good manners. In which case, you're too old for me to teach them to you now, boy.


jasondmzk:
There's the problem. You see a discourse as a competition, not a meeting of the minds. There is no final arbiter, there's no judge, there's no prize


jasondmzk:
I'll let you know when to worry about it.


jasondmzk, I don't want to seem patronizing, you are obviously fresh off the boat or you have spent very little time in Poland, therefore all is seen through rose tinted ' Raybans '

WB, on the other hand gave Poland 7 years, bought the houses,started the business,raised the children and dealt with all that Polish life throws at a non - Pole. Therefore you could say, WB speaks from experience:

You should be reminded Poland is NOT America or the UK, even for us caucasians who blend in.
Poland is NOT multicultural.
You can NOT change Poland, although Poland will change you.
You will never be Polish and of this you will be reminded of constantly by native Poles.
You are in Poland as a guest, therefore as a good guest you take off your shoes when entering the house, kiss the hostess's hand and present her with flowers and cakes. Spending more time with your hosts, you acquire the art of complaining,patronizing and wallowing in self pity, all at the same time. If you can master this your wife's family and friends a will stop making you the butt of their jokes. ( as you are becoming more Polish)

Finally pre book in advance at least 2-4 return tickets to home a year, you will be needing it, we all do.
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 Feb 16, 12, 08:38    #13
Wedle:
jasondmzk, I don't want to seem patronizing

This sounds promising!
Wedle:
you are obviously fresh off the boat

Oh well....
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 Feb 16, 12, 08:52    #14
Good luck with your quest, Jasondmzk.

jasondmzk:
Oh well....

jasondmzk:
Unless, of course, you weren't TAUGHT respect and good manners. In which case, you're too old for me to teach them to you now, boy.

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 Feb 16, 12, 08:59    #15
Wedle:
Good luck with your quest

Thank you.
And thank you for your life lessons, vis-a-vis the rigidity of Polish culture. WB is still wrong about everything.
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 Feb 16, 12, 09:29    #16
Me, noreenb, rozumiem nic.
Sorry, what do you mean, jason?
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Edited by: Wedle  Feb 16, 12, 09:29    #17
jasondmzk:
And thank you for your life lessons, vis-a-vis the rigidity of Polish culture.


As legal aliens in Poland, we have one thing in common we are not Polish, the foreigner is either a friend of Poland or not - simple. If it good enough for Norman Davies, it may be acceptable for ?


Wroclaw Boy:
People are people regardless of what they were taught.


Absolutely people are influenced by their circumstances and peers, which may go against their education.

Wroclaw Boy:
Youre missing the point, different people, different minds, we are all individual.


Free thinking individuals for the common good.

jasondmzk:
WB is still wrong about everything


I would not want to get into a debate with WB on the exchange rate of GBP/PLN circa 2003-2012, he has got in-depth analytical historical's on his side.
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 Feb 16, 12, 09:43    #18
Wedle:
Free thinking individuals for the common good.

I'm unsure how much thinking OR good is at play, here.
noreenb:
Sorry, what do you mean, jason?

What do I mean about what, my dear?
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 Feb 16, 12, 09:49    #19
My dear...first of all it's early morning and I don't think clearly enough.
Secondly, please guys, talk less, use not as much words as you do.
The discussin is interesting and I would like to discuss but it's on a proficiency level, and my level is so far advanced.
Sorry, i can present my opinion only being after a GOOD sleep.
:)
Do not hesitate, continue.
My normal good English is close to be back.
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 Feb 16, 12, 09:57    #20
jasondmzk:
I'm unsure how much thinking OR good is at play, here


The common GOOD. People - Planet - Profit.
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Edited by: jasondmzk  Feb 16, 12, 10:05    #21
Wedle:
People - Planet - Profit.

I see. The three things most usually controlled by the common BAD. Let's aspire to something better, but perhaps via baby steps, yes? Let's start with elevating this forum, both morally and intellectually.
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 Feb 16, 12, 10:13    #22
jasondmzk:
I see. The three things most usually controlled by the common bad.


jasondmzk, you are acquiring the Polish way of thinking.

Profit - Arguably, from the perspective of sustainability,is the most critical part of the triple bottom line ( People - Planet - Profit)
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Edited by: pawian  Feb 16, 12, 10:45    #23
jasondmzk:
This is our forum.


Yes, this is. :):):):) Since the very beginning. You joined in July 2011. It seems you have lost about 5 years of interesting discussions.:):):)


Wedle:
You should be reminded Poland is NOT America or the UK, even for us caucasians who blend in.
Poland is etc etc etc


What the heck? I thought the thread is about the forum, not Poland?
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 Feb 16, 12, 11:09    #24
pawian:
You joined in July 2011

I'm flattered you checked.
pawian:
I thought the thread is about the forum, not Poland?

His thoughts are too grandiose to be contained by just ONE thread's subject matter.
pawian:
:):):):)

These things always weird me out.
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 Feb 16, 12, 11:29    #25
jasondmzk:
His thoughts are too grandiose to be contained by just ONE thread's subject matter.

Stop whining will you, youre always moaning about something.
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 Feb 16, 12, 13:55    #26
jasondmzk:
His thoughts are too grandiose to be contained by just ONE thread's subject matter.

I thought there were just off topic or he missed your point all together. But that just me.


Wroclaw Boy:
Stop whining will you, youre always moaning about something.

well, you seem to have forgotten that you had a period of whining upon arriving in Poland some time ogo. It is called adjustment period. Easy there.......
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 Feb 16, 12, 14:36    #27
aphrodisiac:
you seem to have forgotten that you had a period of whining upon arriving in Poland some time ogo.

I havent forgotton anything and he doesnt live in Poland.

Besides thats not what i was referring to, unlike Jason i will not talk about him until he's present to defend himself.

I didnt whine when i first arrived in Poland, it took at least a year for that.
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Edited by: Wedle  Feb 16, 12, 16:08    #28
jasondmzk:
the open-minded users of PF, and choose our battles more wisely


jasondmzk:
His thoughts are too grandiose to be contained by just ONE thread's subject matter.


From Post 7, you lost it jdmzk.

Stop being so petulant...

aphrodisiac:
you had a period of whining upon arriving in Poland some time ogo


Don't all foreigners who come to live in Poland, sooner or later submit to the ' whine '. The Polish art of complaining is a national pastime. Its either whine or go mad...
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 Feb 16, 12, 19:36    #29
jasondmzk:
This is our forum.


no, its not, its a public forum..

we dont own it, we visit here, and if people need to swear, they are all adults, you dont call the shots, they do, its been this way
since I became a member, every now and then new people come along and they try to take over, it dont work, so although your
rant has points, you have to remember it is a forum for anyone, and there is no option to TAKE OVER.

now if you buy it from admin for a large sum of say three gazillion dollars , he might think about it :)

lol

one gazillion for admin and two gazillion for me ;)
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 Feb 16, 12, 20:01    #30
I'll "rant", "whine", "moan", and perhaps even share recipes, if that's what I decide to do. You are free to respond, or not. My point of the thread, which I didn't think was so obscure, was that I want people to be the best they possibly can be, here or anywhere. I certainly hope THIS is not the best some of you can be.


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