PF: The racist brigade

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Sep 1, 08, 15:12 #31

tornado2007:

lol a typical greg answer when has dosen't have a reply or can't take somebody else's point of view :)

No. Torn, the problem is that you are not making much sense and only write about some "denial" and try to turn it into "racism in Poland" issue, when simply the policy of the forums is that controversial opinions shouldn't be removed unless they are very extreme, so in this case "kill the Negros" etc.

And Poland has less problems with racism than most of European countries - you would know that If you actually read some serious reports and not only "someone told me..." kind of stuff.

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Sep 1, 08, 15:16 #32

Grzegorz_:

No. Torn, the problem is that you are not making much sense and only write about some "denial" and try to turn it into "racism in Poland" issue, when simply the policy of the forums is that controversial opinions shouldn't be removed unless they are very extreme, so in this case "kill the Negros" etc.

you like filos seem to think its about this thread but its not, the subject about racism in Poland has been covered before and people have been more than happy to say racism is not a problem in poland, lol.

as for removing it, i don't care, leave the racist stuff up, it only shows up the person who posted it for what they are.

Grzegorz_:

And Poland has less problems with racism than most of European countries - you would know that If you actually read some serious reports and not only "someone told me..." kind of stuff.

you see your trying to make less of the issue by pointing out other countries. As was pointed out earlier, Poland does have a problem but racism can rarely be exercised due to the lack of other cultures, creeds etc.

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Sep 1, 08, 15:23 #33

tornado2007:

people have been more than happy to say racism is not a problem in poland

I am not trying to be funny but what are you talking about? I mean what racism in Poland, I will not say there is none but are you saying there is any more or less than in your own country?. I am trying to say I find some loud mouths on PF very racist and they are usually not Poles. What exactly are you talking about here?

tornado2007:

as for removing it, i don't care, leave the racist stuff up, it only shows up the person who posted it for what they are.

Grzegorz_:

Agreed, good point.

bohobabeThreads: - Posts: 62 Joined: Aug 13, 08 ♀	Sep 1, 08, 15:24 #34
I agree i have seen so much racism and stereotyping on here its crazy Mostly against muslims ,people just need too shut the fcuk up instead of running thier mouths and it would be cool you dont like certain people then dont talk too themand for example if you hate indians ,whites ,pakistani ,africans what ever it is then just avoid them instead of talking **** and causing arguments

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Sep 1, 08, 15:24 #35

Eurola:

It seems like western countries would love to keep Poland in "its" place and the idea that this country did so much in a such short time seems to be mind bugling for some

the idea that this country thinks it has earnt its place with the western countries in such a short time seems to be mind bugling [sic] for some

and highly offensive for others

poland has achieved much in a short space of time

and still has much to achieve

if just 20 years free from the yoke of communism can enable poland to bring itself to the level of western europe then surely the yoke of communism cant have been that bad after all

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Sep 1, 08, 15:34 #36

tornado2007:

you like filos seem to think its about this thread but its not, the subject about racism in Poland has been covered before and people have been more than happy to say racism is not a problem in poland, lol.

Torn, don't be a child. You wrote that in your first post about "Polish problem with racism" and some more about your transgenger conversation over skype with racist Poles... so why these things If you weren't trying to turn It into "racism in Poland" issue ? You don't realize what you are writing about ? So maybe you should go back to the primary school ?

tornado2007:

you see your trying to make less of the issue by pointing out other countries.

You started pointing out countries, so why do you point out Poland again and again ?

tornado2007:

As was pointed out earlier, Poland does have a problem but racism can rarely be exercised due to the lack of other cultures, creeds etc.

Again stupid comment and again about Poland. When somebody wants to attack in any way somebody from other ethnic group then It doesn't really matter If he/she see 15 of them a day or 500.

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Sep 1, 08, 15:35 #37

BubbaWoo:

communism cant have been that bad after all

Ahm, maybe that's why western liberals and democrats want that "equality" for all! :)

BubbaWoo:

highly offensive for others

a sad world, people get offended about everything nowadays. Lots of fragile souls and walking wounded out there. The "politically correct" behavior is somewhat out of hand, a new way to control society...just like in communism. hehehe.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Sep 1, 08, 16:41 #38
So...what is Politically Incorrect and what is racism???

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Edited by: SeanBM Sep 1, 08, 16:43 #39
Bratwurst Boy: what is Politically Incorrect and what is racism??? On a snooker table it is no longer called the "Black ball" that is racist, instead it is to be called the "African American ball" that is PC. See it is easy ;0)

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Sep 1, 08, 17:24 #40

SeanBM:

I am not trying to be funny but what are you talking about? I mean what racism in Poland,

you see there is one example, 'what racism in Poland' :)

SeanBM:

will not say there is none but are you saying there is any more or less than in your own country?

straight away on the defensive and having to bring the UK into it, i have discussed and been more than happy to discuss and address the issues the UK has with racism in the past :)

SeanBM:

I am trying to say I find some loud mouths on PF very racist and they are usually not Poles.

American/Poles, British, American, Polish, Polish/Canadians, and many more nationalities who represent racism on this forum, of course its not just the Polish.

Grzegorz_:

Torn, don't be a child. You wrote that in your first post about "Polish problem with racism"

yes and, it isn't just Poland that have a problem with racism but i was addressing that particular issue, does this mean every time i want to discuss something about Poland i have to for example say 'Polands problem with racism, ow yeah and just to be pc the UK, US, India, Australia and every other country has the same problem too' :) No of course not, i am just naming the country i'm talking about not singling it out and saying 'POLAND IS THE ONLY COUNTRY WITH RACIST ISSUES'

Grzegorz_:

some more about your transgenger conversation over skype with racist Poles.

uh hang on first of all it was a 'POLE' not 'POLES' and they were not racist on purpose and i did say i thought it was to do with ignorance rather than actually being a hate racist. It was not being negative, it was simply an observation.

Grzegorz_:

If you weren't trying to turn It into "racism in Poland" issue ? You don't realize what you are writing about ?

i think i do realise i just think you've used my words to turn it around on me as we all know your obsessed with finding anything could even be related to your 'polonaphobia' thing :).

Grzegorz_:

should go back to the primary school ?

simple answer 'NO' its you who is using school playground tactics with the name calling and efforts to wind me up :).

Grzegorz_:

You started pointing out countries, so why do you point out Poland again and again ?

Hang on a second this is called Polish Forums and i was addressing the issue about PF originally. I used my conversation with a pole as an example of why i think some peope on here are racist, nothing to do with Poland as a whole.

Grzegorz_:

Again stupid comment and again about Poland. When somebody wants to attack in any way somebody from other ethnic group then It doesn't really matter If he/she see 15 of them a day or 500.

silly comments, of course its all about exposure, if you don't understand that then i don't see why your commenting unless your arguing for the sake of it or just looking for a reaction.

Eurola:

a sad world, people get offended about everything nowadays. Lots of fragile souls and walking wounded out there. The "politically correct" behavior is somewhat out of hand, a new way to control society...just like in communism. hehehe.

i would agree there are many people who are over sensitive and that is why this country, the UK especially has gone over the top with 'PC'!!!!

Bratwurst Boy:

So...what is Politically Incorrect and what is racism???

Only serving meet lunches to a muslim = Politically incorrect
Calling a black person a N****R = Racist

Poor EdwardThreads: 11 Posts: 197 Joined: Aug 4, 08 ♂	Sep 1, 08, 17:30 #41
I hear they're changing it to "CP"- corrective politiness, because its un-PC to put P before C. :)

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07 ♂	Sep 1, 08, 17:46 #42
Poor Edward: I hear they're changing it to "CP"- corrective politiness, because its un-PC to put P before C. :) lol, don't say that to loud, it may catch on!!!!!

Arise_St_GeorgeThreads: 15 Posts: 572 Joined: Mar 8, 08 ♂	Sep 1, 08, 17:46 #43
I don't hate asians or blacks but as soon as they set foot in Britain it kicks in. **** OFF OUT MY COUNTRY! O.O ROAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07 ♂	Sep 1, 08, 17:48 #44
Arise_St_George: I don't hate asians or blacks but as soon as they set foot in Britain it kicks in. **** OFF OUT MY COUNTRY! O.O ROAAAAAAAAAAR!!!! do you think that is more to do with the invasion of Britain rather than your dislike, its your way of epressing your feelings about immigration etc??

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Edited by: Arise_St_George Sep 1, 08, 17:56 #45

tornado2007:

do you think that is more to do with the invasion of Britain rather than your dislike, its your way of epressing your feelings about immigration etc??

Did we ask or vote for a multicultural society? Was we asked for a multicultural society? No, we wasn't. Instead we are dealing with crime committed by blacks such as guns, knives, drugs and rape.

Even the government has admitted that there's a problem with the black community.

Blair blames spate of murders on black culture URL

Then we have the challenge of tackling muslims. A potential enemy within our borders. Some preachers are here to poison minds of muslim youth and instill hatred within them. We have muslims inside our borders that plan to execute British troops. The same troops that are serving the country of which these muslims reside in. We had muslims that killed 50-odd people in London. Many potential terrorist attacks have been foiled. We have many muslims that sympathise with terrorists. It doesn't matter whether they are 'British' or foreign muslims. They all have the same mindset.

Why couldn't we have stuck to the old Britain? It would have been much much safer than bringing in immigrants from troubled regions.

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Sep 1, 08, 18:10 #46

Arise_St_George:

Did we ask or vote for a multicultural society? Was we asked for a multicultural society? No, we wasn't. Instead we are dealing with crime committed by blacks such as guns, knives, drugs and rape.

i agree with you actually, we did not ask for a lot of the policies on immigration etc etc that was totally our of our hands.

While i also agree that gun crime, knife crime etc etc has been on the increase and closely linked with the black community, surely your not trying to say a white man can't and does not pick up a gun or knife :)

Arise_St_George:

Then we have the challenge of tackling muslims. A potential enemy within our borders. Some preachers are here to poison minds of muslim youth and instill hatred within them. We have muslims inside our borders that plan to execute British troops. The same troops that are serving the country of which these muslims reside in. We had muslims that killed 50-odd people in London. Many potential terrorist attacks have been foiled. We have many muslims that sympathise with terrorists. It doesn't matter whether they are 'British' or foreign muslims. They all have the same mindset.

i'm at a total loss of words as to how to deal with 'muslim extremists' For me there is only one way to deal with them and that is hunt them out and throw them back to the country that they originate, if they have been involved in terrorist activitiy or glorifiying it then they should be exterminated!!!!.

Arise_St_George:

Why couldn't we have stuck to the old Britain?

mate that is impossible, especially with globalisation, the world is becoming smaller and smaller, business drives the world.

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Sep 1, 08, 18:20 #47

The Commission for Racial Equality broadly backed Mr Blair, saying people "shouldn't be afraid to talk about this issue for fear of sounding prejudiced".

Here is the whole thing in a nut shell. You just cant close your eyes and hope it all goes away. The black women have babies and are abandoned.. They are left alone to raise their kids.. But without a father, it just dont work.
So what is the answer?? I just dont know.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Sep 1, 08, 18:41 #48
I also noticed racism here. There were posts, for instance, suggesting that there aren't enough visible minorities in Poland, and that only once there are, Poland will become worldly. I think this is highly offensive to Poles, and as I said before, if someone doesn't like Poles then gtf out of there, and go somewhere more colorful and worldly.

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Sep 2, 08, 00:00 #49

well I think it stinks that as soon as someone says you &%$#^ pollack, automatically he/she is labelled a racists but yet polish people say pollack to each
other as well as blacks, hispanic etc.. its ok for ones own nationality to say it
and not be labelled, but oh heck no if your pizzed off and say it in heated
argument ( not meaning anything).. someone says you white Betch, yep. I am
white and I am a betch sometimes.. so how is that racist? only because of the
word white was used instead of just saying betch.. but I am WHITE>>> thats
not a bad word, nor is Muslim, nor is black.. I have alot of BLACK clothes, and
my cat is black,, am I racist because I have a black cat?? no.. I like black cats
and I have a black and white dog!! fek that,, if people want to take it out of
context into a bigger thing, they have issues go get some dam xanax and shut
up.

:) only kidding. lol

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Sep 2, 08, 00:15 #50
BubbaWoo: if just 20 years free from the yoke of communism can enable poland to bring itself to the level of western europe then surely the yoke of communism cant have been that bad after all or maybe it tells you something about poles, eh?

miranda

Sep 2, 08, 00:43 #51

Poles are Poles, they have some problems but will deal with them one way or the other. I am not sure what the point of the thread was in the first place.

Making judgement based on some posts on PF is not really the way to go. Visiting Poland and getting to know real people might be the answer.

People have wholes in their knowledge about many things and try to fill it up with easy answers. Good luck with that.

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07 ♀	Sep 2, 08, 03:21 #52
miranda: I am not sure what the point of the thread was in the first place. So I'm not alone then....thank goodness for that!

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06 ♂	Edited by: BubbaWoo Sep 2, 08, 03:26 #53
plk123: or maybe it tells you something about poles, eh? it certainly does Franek: Here is the whole thing in a nut shell. You just cant close your eyes and hope it all goes away. The black women have babies and are abandoned.. They are left alone to raise their kids.. But without a father, it just dont work. So what is the answer?? I just dont know. er, so what is the question...?

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Sep 2, 08, 04:46 #54

miranda:

Making judgement based on some posts on PF is not really the way to go. Visiting Poland and getting to know real people might be the answer.

corect of course, who said that Poland would be judged on posts on PF??

miranda:

I am not sure what the point of the thread was in the first place.

to find out why the racist population has increased!!!! It isn't even a 'Poland' issue its a 'PF' one.

I think people have been distracted with what Greg and myself have wrote in the middle of the thread.

ShelleyS:

So I'm not alone then....thank goodness for that!

well i think i've already explained that, or maybe you just misunderstood, nobody is perfect :).

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Sep 2, 08, 05:33 #55

Patrycja19:

well I think it stinks that as soon as someone says you &%$#^ pollack, automatically he/she is labelled a racists but yet polish people say pollack

I couldn't agree more. Nig.gers also call themselves nig.gers, and even kikes uses the word kike themselves. Where is the fairness?

They can use derogatory terms towards their own kind... hey wait!
We can't use the word nig.ger unless we are nig.gers. The word is actually censored on this forum. (pollack or paki aren't). Don't even try kike if you don't want you life and career to be ruined, or unless you are ready for a very public apology.

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Sep 2, 08, 07:15 #56

First off, I have to give a shout-out to Warsaw8, Franek, and Arise_St_George: HAIL VICTORY & HAIL EVROPA! It's good to see that not everyone on PF is a whiny, Multi-Kult crybaby.

What is all of this talk about "racism?" I am not familiar with this strange word.

Jews have Israel and want to keep it Jewish. Are they "racist?" The Chinese have China, and want to keep it Chinese. Are they "racist?" The Japanese have Japan, and want to keep it Japanese. Are they "racist?" (Etc. etc. ad infinitum)

What a strange concept this "racism" is, when it is only applied to Europeans who want to keep their nations and cultures. When any non-European group protects its culture and identity, the crybabies don't call them "racist," do they? (Why is that?)

What's so bad about not wanting to turn Krakow into Mogadishu, Warsaw into Baghdad, or all of Poland into Zimbabwe? Can someone please explain to me what is "wrong" with Poland, that it has to be "improved" by the addition of Somalis and Pakistanis?

miranda

Sep 2, 08, 07:25 #57

tornado2007:

to find out why the racist population has increased!!!! It isn't even a 'Poland' issue its a 'PF' one.

I don't think it did. People posting here are often not moderated soon enough and they post before mods get to them. Have you noticed that most of the time some people keep breaking the rules of the forum and unless they are finally suspended, they just go at it to see how far they can push it.
This forum is not moderated enough when it comes to racists posts and it had nothing do do with being politically correct. I still don't understand why would anybody hate another nation. People are people. It just shows that the luck of understanding of other cultures is increasing not decreasing and a lot of people find their knowledge in media.

I would say that luck of self esteem causes us to put other people down in order to feel better about ourselves or the need to be right.

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Sep 2, 08, 07:48 #58

tornado2007:

yes and, it isn't just Poland that have a problem with racism but i was addressing that particular issue

Exactly. You were "addressing that particular issue" when in fact in case of "racism in Poland" you should just refresh the old topic and racism on PFs have nothing to do with racism in Poland - just show me one "racist" members of PFs, who is Polish ? You are mixing completely different issues.

And coming back to the orginal question... Why "racist" comments happen on the forums ? Because Admin decided that moderating policy should be mild - "free speech uber alles" etc. and that's why all kinds of controvesial posts happen here but as you are under influnce of western PC-brainwashing you only notice anti-Negrism, anti-Islamism and maybe anti-Semitism.

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Sep 2, 08, 08:02 #59

Gary Busey:

What is all of this talk about "racism?" I am not familiar with this strange word.

Jews have Israel and want to keep it Jewish. Are they "racist?" The Chinese have China, and want to keep it Chinese. Are they "racist?" The Japanese have Japan, and want to keep it Japanese. Are they "racist?" (Etc. etc. ad infinitum)

What a strange concept this "racism" is, when it is only applied to Europeans who want to keep their nations and cultures. When any non-European group protects its culture and identity, the crybabies don't call them "racist," do they? (Why is that?)

What's so bad about not wanting to turn Krakow into Mogadishu, Warsaw into Baghdad, or all of Poland into Zimbabwe? Can someone please explain to me what is "wrong" with Poland, that it has to be "improved" by the addition of Somalis and Pakistanis?

i agree actually with what you are saying there, no problem at all with wanting to protect the interests of one country. However 'neo nazi' groups is there any need?? attacks on foreigners for example in Russia?? really is that what you call protecting your country???

I'm all for a Britain with harsh immigration laws but to give racists something to bite into, no thanks. I really do feel strongly about Britain, the British and who enters our country and how the country will form in years to come. I just think that some people use that as an excuse to exercise their racist agenda's.

miranda:

I still don't understand why would anybody hate another nation. People are people. It just shows that the luck of understanding of other cultures is increasing not decreasing and a lot of people find their knowledge in media.

i agree with you 100%, i find it hard to imagine how you could hate one nationality for a particular reason. Personaly i'm frustrated with certain sectors of the Islamic population but it does not mean i hate all Muslims.

Grzegorz_:

Exactly. You were "addressing that particular issue" when in fact in case of "racism in Poland" you should just refresh the old topic and racism on PFs have nothing to do with racism in Poland - just show me one "racist" members of PFs, who is Polish ? You are mixing completely different issues.

well i did not mean to bring 'Poland' to the forefront of the thread, that was not my aim, so i apologise if that is what it looked like. I was talking about people on PF generally. As i said before i used the Polish person on skype as an example of ignorance.

Grzegorz_:

And coming back to the orginal question... Why "racist" comments happen on the forums ? Because Admin decided that moderating policy should be mild - "free speech uber alles" etc. and that's why all kinds of controvesial posts happen here but as you are under influnce of western PC-brainwashing you only notice anti-Negrism, anti-Islamism and maybe anti-Semitism.

to be honest mate i don't care if the posts are removed or not, i was just interested in the sudden influx of racists, racist comments and racist points of view. For me the people who speak in this way show themselves up, i was interested as i said before with the influx.

I've got no problem with you, Poland or the Polish when it comes to racism, there are racists everywhere.

T

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Sep 2, 08, 08:20 #60

miranda:

It just shows that the luck of understanding of other cultures is increasing not decreasing and a lot of people find their knowledge in media.

That's a tricky issue. Understanding others is one thing, accepting the differences is another. I sat on a certain committee. One of the duties was to consider complaints against some residents. There was a family from Somalia who was unruly, noisy and practically wrecked the apartment they were renting. The place was so bad that all those inspecting their dwelling threw their shoes, and some clothes out. Nobody even considered tossing the polluted garments into their washing machines. All rooms in that place were a definition of a disaster, neglect, filth and outright danger. The family managed to "achieve" this in 6 months after moving into this brand new apartment.

One of the defense lines of their lawyer were differences in culture and the complainants' (and eventually the committee's) lack of understanding of that culture. The other one was of course racism.

The lawyer did not consider some things though:

- those people were given a chance to live where they did in spite of their skin color.
- out of 7 members of this committee 2 were Black and 1 Asian.
- understanding of one's culture does not shield you from health hazards created by those professing aforementioned "cultures"
- noise created by 2 am loud and wild parties does not get any quieter just because all those affected understand the culture of those creating the noise.

Too often, the so called "lack of understanding" is on the part of those who claim they are not understood.

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