Polish Speaking Section

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Edited by: Torq Apr 9, 10, 10:47 #1

I think it would be a good idea to have a Polish speaking section on our forum.
It would attract more Polish posters to the site and make it more credible as a Polish
forum. Also, people who would, at first, be posting in the Polish speaking section only
would, with time, most probably like to join the discussions in the English speaking part
of the forum.

I'm thinking about adding just one section for all Polish-language threads, similarly
to the solution that is implemented on the politics.ie board, which is generally
an English speaking forum, but has a "Gaeilge" section where Irish users can post
messages in their native Irish Gaelic language.

What do you all think?

P.S. If there isn't any member of the current moderating staff who would be able
to moderate such section I volunteer myself to moderate it (only in case if there
aren't any other volunteers).

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Apr 9, 10, 10:57 #2
It would be a welcome section. Often, there are interesting topics, articles, and issues that are of concern to us Poles and are not to foreigners. It is impossible to translate everything into English. Many good films and documentaries are in Polish without translation and there is no place here to discuss them. Anyway, a resonable request, Torq.

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Edited by: Torq Apr 9, 10, 11:02 #3

1jola:

It is impossible to translate everything into English. Many good films and documentaries are in Polish without translation and there is no place here to discuss them.

Good point and another reason to have a Polish section. It might also be a valuable
help for all the learners of Polish. They could practice their reading comprehension
while browsing through the various Polish threads in the section (and, if they didn't
understand a phrase or an idiom, they could ask for an explanation in the other section
of the forum and get an answer there).

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Apr 9, 10, 11:07 #4
I'm all for it. What say the listowner?

Polish TutorThreads: - Posts: 115 Joined: Jun 22, 09 ♂	Apr 9, 10, 12:20 #5
I do not know. This strange language could spoil this forum (-:

ZiemowitThreads: 10 Posts: 1,063 Joined: May 8, 09 ♂	Apr 9, 10, 12:24 #6
As I understand, the forums would have the double structure, that is, each individual forum of the present ones would have its counterpart in Polish, is that right? An alternative could be to create one particular forum "Mówimy po polsku" where posters could open threads on all topics, but the discussions should be in Polish.

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Apr 9, 10, 13:06 #7

It would be a bad idea to mirror whole forums structure, I'd say one Polish Speaking General sub-forum would be enough, or even - not only Polish - but all languages beside English subforum. Under such circumstances people who can't speak english could somehow communicate their needs and ideas ( I can recall several threads created by honest people who lacked in the english language department that got immediately removed )..

I don't think administrator gonna let it go through though...

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Apr 9, 10, 13:10 #8
Just a few additional sections would do. ABOUT POLAND News, Politics History of Poland Society, Culture A mirror of what is here already but the above in Polish would cover the need. I think a few would be interested in this 18 part documentary. It is Russian but someone uploaded first 7 with Polish subtitles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOrfZuPl0uQ

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Apr 9, 10, 13:32 #9
Ziemowit: An alternative could be to create one particular forum "Mówimy po polsku" where posters could open threads on all topics, but the discussions should be in Polish. That's what I was thinking about - just a single section, without sub-sections, where we would be able to put all the threads in Polish, like the Irish Gaeilge section on poltics.ie: http://www.politics.ie/forum.php

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Edited by: aphrodisiac Apr 9, 10, 13:54 #10
That is a great idea and I am all for it:). I hope that this addition is congruent with ADM plans.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Apr 9, 10, 19:26 #11
this idea has been forwarded here numerous times in the past and has been shot down rather quickly.. not sure why as a polish forum without polish section is kind of comical, imho. so, i am all for it too (great reasons jola, torq).. but i say just one "mówimy po polsku" area, for now anyway.

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Apr 9, 10, 19:38 #12
Polish forum in Polish that is great idea I can't wait, oh hold on you not discriminating against non Polish? a po za tym Harry by nie moglby wtracic swoich pieciu groszy.

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Apr 9, 10, 19:38 #13
plk123: this idea has been forwarded here numerous times in the past and has been shot down rather quickly exactly... our Master will not allow it...

AdminThreads: 75 Posts: 3,092 Joined: Oct 31, 05 ♂ [Administrator]	Apr 9, 10, 19:52 #14
Polish Speaking Section has existed for two years now: http://www.polishforums.com/news-announcements-24/new-forum-polish-lea rners-practice-polish-22005/

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Edited by: Torq Apr 9, 10, 20:17 #15

Admin:

Polish Speaking Section has existed for two years now

Admin:

http://www.polishforums.com/news-announcements-24/new-forum-poli sh-lea rners-practice-polish-22005/

(...)

It was created for Polish learners (...) General chats in Polish between the Polish native speakers are not allowed.

If you read previous posts in this thread you would know what we meant by "Polish
speaking". Did you even bother to read what we proposed?

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Edited by: Torq Apr 9, 10, 20:41 #16

Admin:

Updated: Apr 9, 2010. General chats in Polish are allowed.

OK - fair.

So, let's say that I want to post a thread about Polish politics, culture or history
in Polish - should I post it in "General Language", "Grammar, Usage",
"Free Translation" or "Practice Your Polish" section?

None of the above looks suitable for me, so that's why there should be one
"Mówimy po polsku" sub-section to discuss all the aforementioned issues
(and other) in Polish (and no English should be allowed there, just like Polish
is not allowed in the English speaking sections).

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Apr 9, 10, 20:45 #17
Torq: Mówimy po polsku" sub-section to discuss all the aforementioned issues (and other) in Polish (and no English should be allowed there, just like Polish is not allowed in the English speaking sections). there is nobody who would moderate it beside our busy admin... they ain't Polish speakers ;)

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Apr 9, 10, 20:47 #18
pgtx: there is nobody who would moderate it beside our busy admin... they ain't Polish speakers ;) Any Polish speaker, and we have a couple of them here, could easily moderate one sub-section.

AdminThreads: 75 Posts: 3,092 Joined: Oct 31, 05 ♂ [Administrator]	Apr 9, 10, 20:52 #19
Torq: and we have a couple of them here So if we have a couple of Polish speakers here there's no sense to create a special forum for them..

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07 ♂	Apr 9, 10, 20:56 #20
Admin: So if we have a couple of Polish speakers here there's no sense to create a special forum for them.. Why not? Ever heard of minority rights?

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Edited by: Torq Apr 9, 10, 20:56 #21

Admin:

So if we have a couple of Polish speakers here there's no sense to create a special forum for them..

"A couple" was just a figure of speech. If only 10% of all registered members are Polish
speakers then we have well over a thousand members who could use the section
(and maybe a lot of them don't post now because they feel their English is not good
enough).

Plus, as I said in my first post...

Torq:

It would attract more Polish posters to the site and make it more credible as a Polish
forum. Also, people who would, at first, be posting in the Polish speaking section only
would, with time, most probably like to join the discussions in the English speaking part
of the forum.

I really can't see what harm could be done by creating such section. Technically, it also
shouldn't be very difficult to do, so why not?

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07 ♂	Apr 9, 10, 21:15 #22
Torq: be very difficult to do, so why not? Admin is too busy dealing out suspensions to King Pokemon

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Apr 9, 10, 21:16 #23

I am Polish and if you decide to create such a section - I would be glad to volunteer as a moderator.
On the other hand - there are a lot of forums in Polish, so is there really a point to create another one here? From my point of view - what makes the PF so special is the unique opportunity to read what the "bloody foreigners" think about my country. Basically - to learn how much the image of Poland is biased abroad.

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Edited by: Torq Apr 9, 10, 21:19 #24

enkidu:

I would be glad to volunteer as a moderator.

Excellent - so we have a volunteer for a moderator! Thank you, Enkidu!

enkidu:

is there really a point to create another one here?

I think there is (for the reasons mentioned before in the thread).

enkidu:

what makes the PF so special is the unique opportunity to read what the "bloody foreigners" think about my country

True, but why do you think you would lose that opportunity if one little subsection
was added to the forum? 95% of the forum (if not more) would still remain exclusively
English-speaking.

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Edited by: convex Apr 9, 10, 21:19 #25

Torq:

Good point and another reason to have a Polish section. It might also be a valuable
help for all the learners of Polish. They could practice their reading comprehension
while browsing through the various Polish threads in the section (and, if they didn't
understand a phrase or an idiom, they could ask for an explanation in the other section
of the forum and get an answer there).

I couldn't agree with you more.

Although, I'm pretty sure that it will be a bit less open...

enkidu:

Basically - to learn how much the image of Poland is biased abroad.

...than the English language side of things.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Apr 9, 10, 21:26 #26
convex: Although, I'm pretty sure that it will be a bit less open than the English language side of things. Perhaps. However, English speakers would be more than welcome to learn Polish and join in the discussions to add some "openess" ;) Besides - there would be still plenty of "openess" left in all the English-speaking sections.

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Apr 9, 10, 21:27 #27

Torq:

True. Why do you think you would lose that opportunity if one little subsection
was added to the forum? 95% of the forum (if not more) would still remain
exclusively English-speaking.

I am afraid - this section would become a quite separated place where Polish people would discuss a Polish problems in the Polish language. And no strangers would be able to interfere And there already a lot of forums like that on the net.
I agree that it would be nice to create such a space for the Polish-speakers where they would be able to discuss an internal affairs. On the other hand - this move will exclude 90% of the users from this section.
I don't think that "PolishForum without Polish section" is strange and/or funny.
This is what makes the PF so special. (well at least from my point of view)

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Edited by: Torq Apr 9, 10, 21:31 #28

enkidu:

And no strangers would be able to interfere

Which is not necessarily a bad thing *coughHarrycough* ;)

enkidu:

And there already a lot of forums like that on the net.

But this one would become pretty unique - with both English and Polish speaking sections
interlapping and interacting with one another (through Polish learners for example).

enkidu:

On the other hand - this move will exclude 90% of the users from this section.

They would still have 95% of the forum sections, which would remain exclusively English
speaking, left for them. Polish learners would also be able to see the point of view
of posters who don't feel fluent enough in English to post now and are mostly readers
of the forum.

enkiduThreads: 18 Posts: 983 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Apr 9, 10, 21:37 #29
Torq: thisperson This person is unfortunately Polish. Yeah - I know shock an outrage. But also a true. I don't oppose the very idea. It would be nice to try. But I am afraid that we all end up in the situation where the Polish-speakers would have got their own section and the others would hold the rest. Kind of apartheid. "Mixing" is the core of the PF.

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Apr 9, 10, 21:40 #30

Torq, put forward a worthy idea. :)

enkidu:

I am afraid - this section would become a quite separated place where Polish people would discuss a Polish problems in the Polish language.

Or it may be the other way round. It might attract more people from Slavic countries (isn't that weird... we've got only two Russians for the whole PF?) and as was said, people from all over the world who study Polish.
Browsing Russian pages somehow dedicated to Poland I see many people who are eager to practice their after-the-uni Polish with native speakers.

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