Are we now allowed to racially abuse other posters?

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Sep 1, 10, 15:13 #31
Harry: What is the other one (so I know to keep an eye out for it)? I would like to know it too.

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,527 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	Edited by: MareGaea Sep 1, 10, 15:15 #32
aphrodisiac: I would like to know it too. I don't know for sure, but I think they do an IP ban, which means that even when he tries to log in under a different nick, he still won't be able to log in anyway. But I don't know this for sure. Perhaps one of the present mods can shed some light on this? >^..^< M-G (tiens)

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Sep 1, 10, 15:25 #33
MareGaea: I don't know for sure, but I think they do an IP ban, which means that even when he tries to log in under a different nick, he still won't be able to log in anyway. But I don't know this for sure. Perhaps one of the present mods can shed some light on this? Yes, mods can implement an ip ban. But an ip is like a post code. Anyone else in that area will get banned too.

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Sep 1, 10, 15:25 #34
MareGaea: I don't know for sure, but I think they do an IP ban, which means that even when he tries to log in under a different nick, he still won't be able to log in anyway. But I don't know this for sure. Perhaps one of the present mods can shed some light on this? I would like to know for the future. I wish ADM informed us about such things, since there is no way of knowing.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Sep 1, 10, 15:28 #35
Wroclaw: Yes, mods can implement an ip ban. But an ip is like a post code. Anyone else in that area will get banned too. He can have a dynamic IP or private IP. I'm under private IP which means I share it with half of my street!

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Sep 1, 10, 15:36 #36

Bzibzioh:

So racism is bad but liberal sermonizing, professional Catholic Church bashing, personal abuse of other posters no matter how vulgar and obscene, anti-Polish propaganda are still OK here. Good to know.

Yes, talking down to other posters, calling them names,talking trash about Poland is obviously ok. I've asked the moderator on several occations to ban Harry for his anti-Polish postings, including some others here too. It seems like a sport to them to do this. But if anyone steps out of line with THEIR beliefs, then it's censor time....this is typical left-wing behaviour. Free speech, just not for the ones they don't agree with.

OF COURSE I DON'T CONDONE RACIST LANGUAGE! It lowers not only the debate, but also the amount of people who want to contribute to this forum. Someone mentioned my name among the ones they wanted to censor, I think it was Jonni, why is this Jonni? Please give me an example of my posting that could be in a "three strikes and you're out" category? And who will overlook this? You? Now, I may not share their opinion, but I feel I always explain what I mean, why I mean it and I have yet to be suspended or given any warnings about my language here by the moderators. So keep in mind people, just because you don't like what I/the people you feel should be banned say, doesn't mean you can shut me/them up...if I'm within the law, you have to accept it. I know for instance Jonni is a big fan of islam, and we know how freedom of speech is dealt with in the countries that practice that religion. Don't we jonni?

And for those of you who started on the "racist" stories that you know/read in the paper. I can trumph you five times today, and ten on a sunday, about REAL racism, against european people. I'm more than happy to go down that road with you and compare, attack by attack, murder by murder and see where we end up. Remember, racism is NOT only white, even though that's what they taught you in school.

But here in the west we have something called "freedom of speech", and somehow, the leftist aren't too happy about it....

Dariusz

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Sep 1, 10, 15:37 #37

Wroclaw:

Yes, mods can implement an ip ban. But an ip is like a post code. Anyone else in that area will get banned too.

So you do a range block rather than an IP ban? That would suck for other people from that range.

I suspect that Sokrates may not have a static IP address anyway. And even if he does, he could easily use a proxy to get round an IP block. I guess that we'll just have to report any new users who seem to be Sokrates for as long as he is suspended for.

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Sep 1, 10, 15:39 #38
Harry: That would suck for other people from that range. yes, but they most probably are not members of PF.

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Sep 1, 10, 15:39 #39

IP address banning is not a lot of use when most people will be using DHCP to provide dynamic addresses. Subnets etc may be the same when you are allocated an IP address by DHCP but the full address may well be different. It's also easy to hide your IP address in general (not sure whether PF allows anonymous traffic in though). Best way is to ban the user name and then look for the same person posting under another name, report them and ban them again.

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Edited by: MareGaea Sep 1, 10, 15:39 #40

Matt32:

you are abusing others too!

With the difference that I only start abusing after being abused. Sok and Bzi have abused me way many more times than I have abused them and they did it much meaner (on purpose) and below the belt than I have ever done. Last few days she was up to her old tricks again, with the help of some others, and I struck back, that's all I did. I don't like lashing out to women, but the woman in question is a grown up, fully aware of what she dishes out (willfully), so while I am normally a very respectful person, I felt no remorse lashing back at her. Like Aphro says, read up on the history of things, then you would know why and how things came to be. I really would suggest you doing that just to make sure you know what you are defending. And besides, there is probably only a handful of posters on here that get abused as much as me.

And besides, I was making a joke with that remark.

As for the IP bans - best and effective way would be a MAC ban - that way you will only get the machine you want to be banned and nobody else will be blocked. MAC's are unique and you only have to type in the number and voila. A simple tracert should suffice to retrieve the MAC address. However, MAC banning requires some additional steps.

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M-G (tiens)

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Sep 1, 10, 15:46 #41

DariuszTelka:

But here in the west we have something called "freedom of speech", and somehow, the leftist aren't too happy about it....

When freedom of speech is used to deliberately disrupt somebody else's more fundamental freedoms, it is not free speech: it is harassment. For example, if I were to constantly write about how I'm going to kidnap your children and rape them to death and to send letters to your wife about how I'm watching your children and one day will take them from [insert name of school/kindergarten/playground which they go to here] and send them back to her in small pieces, each covered with semen, would you defend my right to free speech then? (Please note that I'd never do such a thing and would happily lend you a strong rope and direct you to the nearest stout tree if anybody ever did such a thing, I'm just using it as an example of how free speech has limits.)

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Sep 1, 10, 15:46 #42

aphrodisiac:

Sokrates, as well as Bzizbi has a long history of intolerance on this forum/snide personal remarks, I suggest you read their posts before defending them.

I defend nobody! I'm only saying that it up to the mods to correct improper behaviour of posters, calling them names won't make them change their attitude but if anything they will feel wronged and victimised.
I don't take sides, its only my conclusion, calling them names and belittle them(I mean people like Sokrates) is about as useful as a trap door on a canoe.

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Edited by: jonni Sep 1, 10, 15:48 #43

DariuszTelka:

Please give me an example of my posting that could be in a "three strikes and you're out" category?

Happy to oblige.

DariuszTelka:

So you see, I don't only go after Muslims. But third worlders in general

http://www.polishforums.com/polonia-usa-canada-28/arizonas-new-immigra tion-law-thoughts-43980/15/

DariuszTelka:

we know how freedom of speech is dealt with in the countries that practice that religion. Don't we jonni?

Usually quite openly, actually.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Sep 1, 10, 15:48 #44
szarlotka: Best way is to ban the user name and then look for the same person posting under another name, report them and ban them again. this is the prefered method and simplest

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Sep 1, 10, 15:52 #45

Wroclaw:

this is the prefered method and simplest

Agreed, MAC-banning may be a bit technical, but it does work miracles :) After all, nicks can change, so can IP's, but the MAC address does never change - unless the offender wants to go through all the trouble of buying a new modem or computer every time :)

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M-G (but then you have to have a mighty rich offender and that's usually not the case)

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Sep 1, 10, 15:55 #46
Sokrates used to write some extreme things but I did not respond since they were deliberately provocative.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08 ♂	Sep 2, 10, 08:02 #47
MareGaea: Come on Sascha, this was a blatant attack on a particular poster personally and solely because of the colour of that person's skin. And about nothing else. Surely you can't agree to those practices? I do not know what it has to do with my message you quoted. Long story short I prefer straightforward people to sneaky/Janus-faced ones. That's all I said...

A JThreads: 19 Posts: 4,639 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Sep 2, 10, 08:56 #48
Ziemowit: Sokrates is a kind of "moherowa bereta" in true fact. He says a rosary first, then he insults someone he dislikes. ..and achieves nothing. ;)

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08 ♂	Sep 2, 10, 10:13 #49
A J: ..and achieves nothing. What can one achieve on a forum? If someone is interesting and (or) fun to read that's the best achievement. And he is fun to read from my point of view even though his stance on the Russians is well-known. ;) You may not agree of course... but that's how I feel.

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Sep 2, 10, 11:39 #50

Sasha:

What can one achieve on a forum?

I'm sure you realize that one can be considerate, informative, educational, thoughtful, humourous, articulate, educated, intelligent, driven, passionate, friendly, arrogant, pompous, mischievious, sneaky, mean, fake, political, naive, ridiculous, silly, positive, negative, persuasive or simply cheerful, and perhaps even be a positive influence on someone else from time to time? You never know!

Sasha:

If someone is interesting and (or) fun to read that's the best achievement.

I agree to a certain extent, although I really disapproved of the racist bile he frequently polluted the fora with. Freedom of speech is one thing, but to me racial hatred has very little to nothing at all in common with freedom of the individual.

Sasha:

And he is fun to read from my point of view even though his stance on the Russians is well-known. ;) You may not agree of course... but that's how I feel.

I agree, he's nothing more than a Chihuahua barking behind a fence, and I suppose he can be pretty funny if you percieve him as such. I merely attempted to take the sting out of some of his slurs and derogatory comments with that comment. I mean, I hardly waste any time on him myself, and don't care much, but I know for a fact that he has bothered a lot of people here. (Which is probably all he cared about.)

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CzarDanielThreads: 1 Posts: 21 Joined: Sep 1, 10 ♂	Sep 2, 10, 12:18 #51
I don't know if they have a similar phrase/teaching in Poland but in America our mom's tell us, "If you dont have something nice to say dont say it at all." I wonder if thats too "PC" for some on here lol.

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Sep 2, 10, 13:13 #52

CzarDaniel:

"PC"

Ah well, the term "PC" is just an excuse for some to dismiss differing views. That's all. That way you don't have to give any reasoning, no argumentation and so on, just say: ah, that's just "Political Correct" to say.

And PC being just repeating and believing what you're told to believe and think and say. Funny thing is that it's those who are being accused of being PC, are usually the ones that think for themselves and the ones who accuse are usually thinking, believing and saying what they're told to believe, think and say :)

Of course, there are exceptions, but they do the rule :)

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M-G (tiens)

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Sep 2, 10, 13:18 #53
CzarDaniel: I don't know if they have a similar phrase/teaching in Poland but in America our mom's tell us, "If you dont have something nice to say dont say it at all." I wonder if thats too "PC" for some on here lol. Which all goes back to the golden rule. In fact, mix the golden rule with corrective pops to the head every once in a while, and you've got the basis for a great ideology.

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Sep 2, 10, 17:59 #54
Bzibzioh: anti-Polish propaganda DariuszTelka: anti-Polish postings So tell me, who decides what is simple criticism and what is "anti-Polish propaganda" (whatever that is anyway)? You guys really need to relax.

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Edited by: MareGaea Sep 2, 10, 18:14 #55

DariuszTelka:

But if anyone steps out of line with THEIR beliefs, then it's censor time

No, not true. You know why ppl react to some of the "beliefs" some ppl think they need to share?

Because complete wars have been fought to ban this kind of thinking, at the expense of many ppl losing their lives. They fought for freedom of speech and thought, but they would be deeply ashamed to see some ppl abusing these freedoms to proclaim ideas that limit that very right of other ppl. And that's what it's all about.

You're free to give your opinion and we're all in favour of freedom of speech, but as soon this freedom is willfully misused to impair the rights of others to do too what you like to do or to say what's on their mind or live their lives then this is abusing freedom of speech and the ppl who do so on purpose are losing their right to do so. In other words: the ppl who fought and died for YOUR freedom did not do this, so you can limit the freedom of others. And that's what you do. Not always, but quite a few times you did. And it doesn't matter whether you explain it, it still comes down to the same thing.

And besides, who are you (and some others on here) to think that they are more than other ppl? Because that is the impression that one quite often gets when reading posts here.

Edit: and no, this has nothing to do with being "political correct" (the lousiest excuse on this forum, hearing it over and over again), but with common sense and rational thinking.

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M-G (and no, I don't like or love Islam - I don't like any religion)

trener zolwiaThreads: 5 Posts: 2,786 Joined: Jun 8, 10 ♂	Edited by: trener zolwia Sep 2, 10, 18:18 #56
Harry: I'm disgusted by the way that posters are allowed to get away with racist abuse on these forums I am further disgusted by posters who express outrage and indignation for racism and then turn around and make antisemitism and anti-Polandism, anti-Christianity, etc. posts regularly. The hypocrisy is astounding, as selective indignation and double standards always are...

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Edited by: MareGaea Sep 2, 10, 18:55 #57

trener zolwia:

am further disgusted by posters who express outrage and indignation for racism and then turn around and make antisemitism and anti-Polandism, anti-Christianity, etc. posts regularly. The hypocrisy is astounding, as selective indignation and double standards always are...

Gee, have you been reading sth new in this thread? Never heard you about anti-Polonism or anti-Christianity before. But it's a new field on which you can rant your pet rants as seems a common marker in your posts. You're just being obnoxious for obnoxious' sake, right? Sure seems this way. And you're not only degrading towards other posters, but also have the guts to turn against the mods who are just doing their job.

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M-G (Szar -yes Szar- was right)

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