26.February 2008 - The day when Poland sold Serbia!

Sucks that you can't do any more than vandalize eh? Bet you wish you had some REAL strength. Maybe you could kick some puppies.

I did NOT write that! :(

you didn't get it fully. you said greek lands because you have been ther for a long time.. same argument used by israel. so i show you who is the ancestral owners of kosovo area and you're having a cow? come on man. think about it.

And Christopher Columbus discovered America.

Just for your information the word Kosovo itself comes from Serbian word kos for blackbird, Kosova how Albanians call it is a degenerative term without any meaning in their language, just as if someone changed the name from Newcastle to Newcastla. There are 1800 Serbian Orthodox Churches there. City of Prizren was the seat of Serbian kings. At the end of the 14th century 99% Serbs 1% Albanians.

lol, sorry, that was my mistake!



No. I understand what you are trying to convey. But the fact is, if we go back far enough, we are of the same people, which would make us all the righful owners. What was in history, is history. Greeks made first attempts to civilize that area thousands of years ago, and were succesful. In my eyes, that makes her the rigthtful owner.
Illyrians were not closely related to the modern day Albanians, therefore the argument cannot be supported.

ok, so where did albenians come from?

and you obviously realize that serbs arrived here at some point too.




right but it was someone else's land before 6th century..

do you think serbia will attempt to re-annex kosovo? forcebly?

it's also "kos" in Polish :)

Sorry, off topic, but I abstain from discussing this subject, because we've had so many times our borders shifted, we lost lands that were Polish for centuries as well, and we somehow learned to live with that.
Historical flow of land, money, power etc., but I'm sure all those millions of Polish people who had to leave Lwów (Lviv), Wilno (Vilnius) etc. were also very angry at some point, then bitter, but they (and their children) managed to find their place and build their new homes elsewhere

WTF are you saying?



Had no idea we owned it....how much we get for it?



Explains everything....if we did OWN Serbia, we sold it because it's too Russian.

:P

In all seriousness, it's too bad about the religious places, but I can almost gurantee that Serbs will still be allowed to go to those holy places in the new Kossovo. Just because it doesn't have your name attached to the mailing address doesn't mean that it won't exist anymore.

oh man.. never know.. things do happen.

Well yeah, but then why would they leave something so dear to them?



Then why the f*ck did all the Serbs leave a city so important to them? If it was so sacred they would have stayed there. Serbia owned Kossovo so long they could have done something to make the Albanians dislike or want to leave Kossovo.

Thats not true, you were fighting and US stopped it, then stayed to keep the peace. Did you really feel we should stay forever or maybe just let the killings con't?

i know man. krzysztof kind of summed it up.


so, how come US is not in DARFUR?

Where? I didn't see his post anywhere.

In USA you really wouldn't know, not by skin color or who they choose or choose not to worship.

Re read my post. If someone was criticizing you, it was not me.

RELAAAAAAAAAAX....

John P.

Should have let them fight it out or convince the euros to handle it. The americans don't understand a lot about the world, they tend to cause problems ie IRAQ. Remember, europeans "fought it out" in the reformation, religious wars, 30 years war, etc... THis whole time the Serbs and albanians lived under the yoke of the ottoman/austrian-hungarian empires. They missed out on settling their differences and setting their own borders.


So here comes the BIG QUESTION: when is the US going to recognize palestine, basque, tibet, those 2 regions in russia, tamil in sri lanka, etc..... ????????????????? I think now is a good time. Freedom! freedom! right? :)

What do you yankees think???

i am all for it! :) tibet is on top.

I say go for it. We had indian tribes build get a settlement with Connecticut, USA look it up, Mohegan sun/ Foxwoods now your talking they are tax free, rich as can be and buying and building since they opened their casino's. It took the people alot to accept that this was owed to them, seeing a new life style of heavy traffic and drawing in crowds they never had to contend with on in their quiet birth places. They did not riot or attack, they moved or had to adapt. I guess thats the key we are stuck with each other.

Not poles, americans. Most poles sympathize with the serbs, not the muslims. Don't change my posts.



Ah damn i forgot the natives. We should probably give them back their land. Freedom to the natives! Sioux, Huron, Metis, Ojibwe, Inca, Maya, etc... should be given their freedom.

Yes we have seen some concepts in Katyń Syberia and Srebrenica.

Crow what is the Croats place in future Slavdom ? Serving Serbs or die like it was some time ago or you have some new ideas (all in all Croats are Slavic nation) ?

What is more I think Crow you should rather talk about Terrorists form Albania or simply about your properties in Kosovo not about Slavic union.


What kind of concept is it, Slavic Union ? Poles work on lazy Russians or Croats work on nationalistic Serbs.

We can be nice because Crow is nice but it is enought, Serbs or Russians are not alowed to call us Slavic traitors.

Serbs and Russians should think twice before they come here and talk about Slavic Union.

What would Tito say, bet he's turning in his grave!

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I thought we tried a Southern Slavic State before and it didn't work out as they acted like six frogs in a bucket each trying to get out.
One Slavic nation is definitively not a good idea. Serbia should refrain from stirring things up again and just be a nice little country somewhere on the Balkans. With a capital full of fotomodel-like girlies:) Then, if they behave nicely for a while, then maybe they will be able to join in the family of states that is the EU. Serbia does not want to be alone in Europe, they have always been alone - distant friends aside. Now it is time to put aside all these useless and hindring ressentiments and have a fresh look at the future and coherse to the concept that the best way for a good future is a future together in a unified Europe as we will be the strongest "country" in the world.

M-G

You make a basic mistake because you do not know the history of the region.The Serbs did not choose to leave Kosovo,they were forced out of Kosovo by ottoman authorities.
The Albanians did not come to Kosovo on themselves,they were invited to Kosovo by ottoman authorities in order to control the Serbs.
This happened everywhere in the ottoman empire.The Turks used Albanians as crash force against christian populations and placed them between Greeks,Serbs,Bulgarians in order to suppress every possible revolution.I will give you an example.
1774:The russian fleet of Ekaterini the great lead by brothers Orlov comes to aegean sea to free greek islands from turkish occupation.Greece revolts against the Ottomans.
So what do the latter do?They call Albanians who come to Peloponese and start massacre of the Greeks.They slaughter so many civilians that the revolution is suppressed.
The Albanians are so barbarous and wild that after they kill entire greek populations,they start killing and blackmailing Turks rulers as well.The Turks get highly embarassed and call Sultan in Istambul for help.The Sultan sends new turkish forces which crash the Albanians and kill most of them.The Turks call the Greeks who had fought them and are now in exile to help them exterminate the Albanians.When the Albanians disappear,both Turks and Greeks are relieved.

This is a small story to get a view of what Albanians have meant for the Balkans for centuries.

firstly,i don't agree with the creation of kosovo.this was a very bad thing to happen and the eu will pay for it for a very long time(in fact the eu paid for this country for the last 10 years or so which along with paying on palestine creates the question-what thr fcuk is wrong with this institution!?).serbia should be allowed to sort her problems out.i don't know why the americans and co. were interested in manufacturing such a strange,dangerous and expensive product.

on the other hand we should not be ashamed of anything.we just approved what was agreed by the leading nations;the US and GB.poland did not create this artificial country.

our government did the right thing.we are not here to fight against everyone for someone elses case.showing tusk'spictures and asking him to step down is just a dream of a drunken beggar.he is the best prime minister we had for ages.another 5 years of the twins in power and we would end up at war with everyone and population of 1.000.000.

serbia should try to win kosovo back by clever politics.this is a very good test for serbia as one of the european nations

crow.european slavic union is nothing more than UTOPIA.it would create divisions instead of bonding our nations.economic,cultural union-why not.

Why is every story from the Balkans always so violent?

M-G

I do not know.It has begun a long time ago.Imagine the byzantine emperor Basil 2 who defeated the Bulgarians definetely in 1014 gave the order to blind every bulgarian prisoner of war and leave one every 100 men with one eye in order to lead the rest to Bulgaria.In this way 14000 Bulgarians became blind by use of hot iron in one day.Many people are still proud of the action of Basil 2.Imagine what the Bulgarians had done to the local populations.
I was surprised to see that the peasants remembered the Bulgarian king Krumos who had slaughtered them in 860,1200 years ago!Grandmothers told their children ''eat your food otherwise Krumos will come''.They say this till now,so great was the terror that Bulgarians had inflicted.

However the most violent were the Ottomans till 17th century when they became weakened.Afterwards the Albanians were the most primitive.
The only ones even more violent than the Turks were the Mongols of Tamerlan who crashed the Turks in 1402 and almost dissolved them and Vlad the Dracula who impaled about 70000 Turks.

Some more things to understand Balkans.The muslims as a rule when they conquer a region which has not resisted to them,offer autonomy,that is you did not have to pay taxes and you could keep the local government.
If a region resisted(like Serbia,Greece) you had to pay every year 10% of the whole incomes to the Sultan.So the local authorities collected the taxes to send the portion of 10% to Istanbul(and keep the rest).To collect taxes they needed some armed forces which were mostly albanian bandits.
In order to be protected against the local christian bandits,the Turks built christian forces which fought against other christians and some of them became popular among the population because they fought against Turks as well or against albanian bandits which did a lot more apart from helping collecting the taxes.Anyway it is very complicated.
The thing is if you became muslim,you should not pay taxes and so many Serbs and Greeks were islamized.Masses of Albanians left christianism for the same reason and saw an opportunity to become rulers collaborators.
The Greeks who abandoned christianism were considered to be Turks,they were not recognized as Greeks again and were sent to Turkey after Greece was liberated(about half a million people).The fate of the muslim Serbs was different although they faced the same negative attitude.
Generally in Balkans the distinction is in terms of religion more than nationality.
Orthodox belonging to Patriarcheion in Constantinupol=Greek
Orthodox belonging to bulgarian Exarchy(autonomous bulgarian orthodox church)=Bulgarian
Orthodox belonging to Serbian autonomous Church=Serb
Muslim=Turk or Albanian

and you're gonna tell me what i can and cannot do? hahahaha.. good one there igloo dweller.


half the ones mentioned aren'tweren't in the USA, you know that right?


they were sorting with ak47 that's why US and NATO got involved.
because that's how the region has always been controlled. by getting all the factions in fights among themselves, the empires didn't have to worry about being attacked or troubled by any of these peoples.

Is this a case of "in the kingdom of the blind, one-eye rules?"

M-G

Russians = Ortxodox

Croats=Catholics.

Czech= Protestants

Poles =Catholics

In Balkans there was serious conflict.for example if sb spoke bulgarian but belonged to orthodox Patriarcheion,he was considered Greek.If he spoke greek but was muslim,he was considered a Turk.You can imagine for example people living in today FYROM who spoke bulgarian dialekt,belonged to Patriarcheion,had origin from Vlachia in Romania and had serbian customs.They could be considered Greeks,Bulgarians,Serbs,Vlachs or Macedonians depending on criteria used.They called this macedonian salad.