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Why carp for Polish Christmas?


Dice 15 | 452
13 Dec 2007 #1
Just wondering... why do people in Poland eat carp for Christmas Eve? I understand about no eating red meat, but out of all the fish - why pick the worst one possible? You can farm salmon as easily! Is this tradition still going strong or is it fading? Is there any way to cook this fish so it's actually eatable?
z_darius 14 | 3,965
13 Dec 2007 #2
The tradition came to Poland about a hundred years ago from either Austria or Germany.
Carp, supposedly, bring luck.

Is there any way to cook this fish so it's actually eatable?

You need to keep it in fresh water without any feeding for a couple days before the execution. That help the fish crap out all the mud it normally is plugged with.

Personally, I tried carp once and I didn't like it.
krysia 23 | 3,058
13 Dec 2007 #3
Carps in Poland are raised in clean waters, are mainly fed grain and corn and considered a delicacy. This year the price for carp will be up about 30% because of the higher prices of grain.

It's a tradition in Poland to serve carp on christmas and is usually bought alive and like dariusz said, they keep it in the bathtub for a few days. Then they have to kill it.

But some people give names to their carp and feel sorry for it and let it go.
dtaylor 9 | 823
13 Dec 2007 #4
what a load of carp;)
OP Dice 15 | 452
13 Dec 2007 #5
The thing is that in the U.S. carp is considered an uneatable fish, and a pest. There is also an environmental issue here. Right now the North American waters are under attack from Asian Carp (Jumping Carp), who is invading lakes and rivers moving up north. The first person who will find something useful to do with carp will make a million.

youtube.com/watch?v=yS7zkTnQVaM
miranda
13 Dec 2007 #6
why do people in Poland eat carp for Christmas Eve?

tradition. The history of eating carp goes back to XII in Poland. Also, Polish carp probably tastes better than the one in the USA.
Smoked eels are eaten in Poland, as well as in Europe.
Oscypek - | 107
13 Dec 2007 #7
"Catching and Eating Carp

Common carp are extremely popular with anglers in many parts of Europe, and their popularity as quarry is slowly increasing among anglers in the United States. Very specialized baits and tackle have been developed for common carp angling.It is also popular with spear and bow fisherman.

Carp is also eaten in many parts of the world both when caught from the wild and raised in aquaculture. In Germany, Austria, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Croatia and Poland, a carp is a traditional part of a Christmas Eve dinner."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carp
osiol 55 | 3,921
13 Dec 2007 #8
why pick the worst one possible?

I imagine roach to taste worse. I don't know why. I just imagine so.

But some people give names to their carp

Tsk tsk. Some people will give names to just about anything.
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wildrover 98 | 4,441
13 Dec 2007 #9
When i first came to Poland i was told about this tradition , and the fact it was kept in the bath for a few days...I knew the bit about eating carp for Christmas was true , as i had read it on the internet , but i thought the part about keeping it in the bath was a wind up....My Polish friend Aneta and me had a long history of telling each other complete lies about each others national traditions , so i thought this was one of her wind ups....She took geat pleasure in showing me , not one but two large carp in the bath at her parents house...Not long afterwards i took Kuba the family cat into the bathroom to show him the fish...he was very interested indeed...After a while i took him out of the bathroom , firmly closed the door , and we went downstairs...Unfortunatly Kuba , who is a rather beefy tomcat decided the fish were worth another look...While we were all busy downstairs he returned to the bathroom , swung on the doorhandle untill the door opened , and dragged one of the fish out of the bath...The fish was almost as big as he was , but it didn,t stop him giving it a good beating from which it died....You can guess who got the blame for all this......
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498
13 Dec 2007 #10
So where do you buy the live fish and how do you get it home ?
We dont get Carp up here, wouldn't fancy eating one.
krysia 23 | 3,058
13 Dec 2007 #11
carp in US are considered dirty fish, because they eat all the crap from the bottom of the river, I've caught a couple of them but let them go, they are big and UGLY!!. But I have tasted smoked carp, wasn't too bad but very greasy.
osiol 55 | 3,921
13 Dec 2007 #12
carp ... crap from the bottom of the river

"Bottom feeder" never sounds particularly tempting.
OP Dice 15 | 452
13 Dec 2007 #13
You can guess who got the blame for all this......

Hahaha yeah but now you have a great story to entertain people with.

The problem with a carp if I understand it right is that there is nothing but bones in it - so there is no way you can actually eat it. I did find a recipe on a different cooking forum for an Asian carp soup, using a pressure cooker - so the bones actually turn soft from cooking and you can eat them. I don't have a pressure cooker yet, but that would be a good reason to buy one. The recipe calls for a whole carp, but I probably wouldn't use the head or the fins :)

... Or I could simply get a salmon instead :)
sledz 23 | 2,250
13 Dec 2007 #14
carp in US are considered dirty fish, because they eat all the crap from the bottom of the river,

I could never eat one of my cousins in the first place,
but Carp is a garbage fish
osiol 55 | 3,921
13 Dec 2007 #15
one of my cousins

Herring is far tastier. They're not that closely related.
sledz 23 | 2,250
13 Dec 2007 #16
No Carp`s are big fat nasty looking suckers often found hanging out near your
local sewage pond.

I hate to sound racist but Sledz are better:)
irishdeano 5 | 304
13 Dec 2007 #17
the eat the breed of carp grass carp is it right?

karp smazony or karp po źydowsku which is nicer?
wildrover 98 | 4,441
13 Dec 2007 #18
You shall have a fishy on a little dishy.....
db1874 7 | 227
13 Dec 2007 #19
they keep it in the bathtub for a few days

just curious, but how do people wash if there's a carp swimming in the bath on the days leading up to Christmas ?
osiol 55 | 3,921
13 Dec 2007 #20
Merry Christmas - your first present - your first proper wash for a week.
krysia 23 | 3,058
13 Dec 2007 #21
just curious, but how do people wash if there's a carp swimming in the bath




osiol 55 | 3,921
13 Dec 2007 #22
krysia

I had a picture I posted a while ago clipped so you couldn't see the whole thing.
Dare I ask what that gentleman is saying / screaming?
miranda
13 Dec 2007 #23
Krysia,
you kill me:)
svengoolie 1 | 112
13 Dec 2007 #24
what a talented Artist we should hang that baby in muzeum narodowe w krakowie
OP Dice 15 | 452
13 Dec 2007 #25
[quote=krysia][/quote]
Thank goodness the Polish tradition calls for a carp for Christmas and not a pike... or a shark or a snapping turtle.
krysia 23 | 3,058
13 Dec 2007 #26
I had a picture I posted a while ago clipped so you couldn't see the whole thing.
Dare I ask what that gentleman is saying / screaming?

click your pointer over it and you'll find out! haha
Piorun - | 658
13 Dec 2007 #27

Why carp for Christmas?



Since Christmas Eve is technically a Lent (although abolished by Vatican few years ago) Fish is a must have dish. Fish is also an ancient symbol of Christ and Christianity. Although there are many fish dishes served on Christmas Eve the most common fish dish in Poland these days is Carp. There are many reasons for the popularity of carp. The carp inhabits standing and running fresh waters. For the first time the species was domesticated in China in the V c. BC. In Poland carp husbandry dates back to at least mid XII c. The earliest mentions of carp in the Zator Region date from the XIII c. The carp culturing centre situated here has been one of the most important of its kind in Poland since the middle ages. The flavor value of the Zator carp was appreciated by Polish kings, who were importing it onto their tables for years. In 1508 the Principalities of Oświęcim and Zator supplied the court of Sigismund I the Old with several dozen tonnes of the fish. The watercourses supplying water to the ponds were then a subject of many wrangles. In 1513, in a feud over water supplying ponds in Laskowa, Wawrzyniec Myszkowski, the castellan of Oświęcim, killed Prince of Zator, Janusz. As a result of this murder, the Principality of Zator was incorporated into Poland. Carps cultured by Adolf Gasch from Kaniów near Czechowice gained fame at the Berlin agricultural exhibition in 1880. Since then they have been called Galician carps - from the German name: "galizische Karpfen-Race"). This Carp is a must have fish dish on Christmas Eve. Given the history of carp in Poland carp is considered a fish fit for Kings. And as this poem shows carp and other variety of fish have been a traditional dish on Christmas Eve.

Did you know that some Poles keep one or two scales from the carp that was slathered for Christmas Eve in their wallet as it supposed to bring good fortune?
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,506
13 Dec 2007 #28
Fish is also an ancient symbol of Christ and Christianity

its actually signifies the age of pisces and was adopted by christianity
Piorun - | 658
13 Dec 2007 #29
In modern times, the fish outline symbol is experiencing a comeback. It is commonly seen in the form of a bumper sticker or casting mounted on the trunk lids of cars. The body of the symbol may be empty, or may contain a name ("Jesus" or "ICTUS"). This has inspired some Secularists, Atheists and promoters of the theory of evolution to mimic the Christian fish symbol with one of their own. It usually has "DARWIN" in the body of the fish, and little legs underneath. This has prompted "fish wars" between supporters of the secular and religious symbols.

But I see you're supporter of the new age movement.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,506
13 Dec 2007 #30
But I see you're supporter of the new age movement.

no - just aware of the facts


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