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Why carp for Polish Christmas?

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  ♂   Edited by: Dice  Dec 13, 2007, 09:45am  #

Just wondering... why do people in Poland eat carp for Christmas Eve? I understand about no eating red meat, but out of all the fish - why pick the worst one possible? You can farm salmon as easily! Is this tradition still going strong or is it fading? Is there any way to cook this fish so it's actually eatable?

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 10:06am  #

The tradition came to Poland about a hundred years ago from either Austria or Germany.
Carp, supposedly, bring luck.

Quoting: Dice
Is there any way to cook this fish so it's actually eatable?

You need to keep it in fresh water without any feeding for a couple days before the execution. That help the fish crap out all the mud it normally is plugged with.

Personally, I tried carp once and I didn't like it.

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  ♀   Dec 13, 2007, 10:29am  #

Carps in Poland are raised in clean waters, are mainly fed grain and corn and considered a delicacy. This year the price for carp will be up about 30% because of the higher prices of grain.
It's a tradition in Poland to serve carp on christmas and is usually bought alive and like dariusz said, they keep it in the bathtub for a few days. Then they have to kill it.
But some people give names to their carp and feel sorry for it and let it go.

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 10:47am  #

what a load of carp;)

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  ♂   Edited by: Dice  Dec 13, 2007, 10:58am  #

The thing is that in the U.S. carp is considered an uneatable fish, and a pest. There is also an environmental issue here. Right now the North American waters are under attack from Asian Carp (Jumping Carp), who is invading lakes and rivers moving up north. The first person who will find something useful to do with carp will make a million.



miranda     Edited by: miranda  Dec 13, 2007, 11:07am  #

Quoting: Dice
why do people in Poland eat carp for Christmas Eve?

tradition. The history of eating carp goes back to XII in Poland. Also, Polish carp probably tastes better than the one in the USA.
Smoked eels are eaten in Poland, as well as in Europe.

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  ♂   Edited by: Oscypek  Dec 13, 2007, 11:11am  #

"Catching and Eating Carp

Common carp are extremely popular with anglers in many parts of Europe, and their popularity as quarry is slowly increasing among anglers in the United States. Very specialized baits and tackle have been developed for common carp angling.It is also popular with spear and bow fisherman.

Carp is also eaten in many parts of the world both when caught from the wild and raised in aquaculture. In Germany, Austria, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Croatia and Poland, a carp is a traditional part of a Christmas Eve dinner."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carp

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  ♂   Edited by: osiol  Dec 13, 2007, 11:30am  #

Quoting: Dice
why pick the worst one possible?

I imagine roach to taste worse. I don't know why. I just imagine so.

Quoting: krysia
But some people give names to their carp

Tsk tsk. Some people will give names to just about anything.
I'm typing this on Katie Keyboard with help from Ebeneezer the Mouse, Sammy Screen and Molly Modem.
I'm off in a bit to cook myself Dinner (called Dave, with Denise Dessert).

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 12:05pm  #

When i first came to Poland i was told about this tradition , and the fact it was kept in the bath for a few days...I knew the bit about eating carp for Christmas was true , as i had read it on the internet , but i thought the part about keeping it in the bath was a wind up....My Polish friend Aneta and me had a long history of telling each other complete lies about each others national traditions , so i thought this was one of her wind ups....She took geat pleasure in showing me , not one but two large carp in the bath at her parents house...Not long afterwards i took Kuba the family cat into the bathroom to show him the fish...he was very interested indeed...After a while i took him out of the bathroom , firmly closed the door , and we went downstairs...Unfortunatly Kuba , who is a rather beefy tomcat decided the fish were worth another look...While we were all busy downstairs he returned to the bathroom , swung on the doorhandle untill the door opened , and dragged one of the fish out of the bath...The fish was almost as big as he was , but it didn,t stop him giving it a good beating from which it died....You can guess who got the blame for all this......

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 12:37pm  #

So where do you buy the live fish and how do you get it home ?
We dont get Carp up here, wouldn't fancy eating one.

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  ♀   Edited by: krysia  Dec 13, 2007, 01:12pm  #

carp in US are considered dirty fish, because they eat all the crap from the bottom of the river, I've caught a couple of them but let them go, they are big and UGLY!!. But I have tasted smoked carp, wasn't too bad but very greasy.

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 01:27pm  #

Quoting: krysia
carp ... crap from the bottom of the river


"Bottom feeder" never sounds particularly tempting.

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  ♂   Edited by: Dice  Dec 13, 2007, 01:40pm  #

Quoting: wildrover
You can guess who got the blame for all this......

Hahaha yeah but now you have a great story to entertain people with.

The problem with a carp if I understand it right is that there is nothing but bones in it - so there is no way you can actually eat it. I did find a recipe on a different cooking forum for an Asian carp soup, using a pressure cooker - so the bones actually turn soft from cooking and you can eat them. I don't have a pressure cooker yet, but that would be a good reason to buy one. The recipe calls for a whole carp, but I probably wouldn't use the head or the fins :)

Quoting: some other stupid forum
This has always been one of my favorite winter recipies....carp soup. First, you must get a whole carp (not a portion of a carp, but rather, the whole thing). You can usually find one at an oriental food store, because they like carp. Next you bring it home. Remember to regrigerate it. When you are ready to cook it, get out your stainless steel pressure cooker, add 8 cups of water (8 because this is a good feng shui number, and also is enough to do the job). Bring pressure up, then let simmer for one and one half hours. Then, turn heat off, and let pressure down slowly. The carp will be edible. Even the bones, which should be soft after this. Some people prefer to put pieces of burdock in with the carp, prior to pressure cooking, but I prefer the carp alone. Of course, there should be enough liquid to make a nice soup....you can add a dark miso (mugi is best), and this will be a very invigorating dish which will give you much vitality. Preferred grain with this meal: Millit. Preferred drink: bancha.


... Or I could simply get a salmon instead :)

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 01:48pm  #

Quoting: krysia
carp in US are considered dirty fish, because they eat all the crap from the bottom of the river,


I could never eat one of my cousins in the first place,
but Carp is a garbage fish

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 01:49pm  #

Quoting: sledz
one of my cousins

Herring is far tastier. They're not that closely related.

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  ♂   Edited by: sledz  Dec 13, 2007, 01:56pm  #

Quoting: osiol
They're not that closely related.

No Carp`s are big fat nasty looking suckers often found hanging out near your
local sewage pond.

I hate to sound racist but Sledz are better:)

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 02:56pm  #

the eat the breed of carp grass carp is it right?

karp smazony or karp po źydowsku which is nicer?

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 03:05pm  #

You shall have a fishy on a little dishy.....

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 03:18pm  #

Quoting: krysia
they keep it in the bathtub for a few days

just curious, but how do people wash if there's a carp swimming in the bath on the days leading up to Christmas ?

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 03:21pm  #

Merry Christmas - your first present - your first proper wash for a week.

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  ♀   Dec 13, 2007, 03:34pm  #

Quoting: db1874
just curious, but how do people wash if there's a carp swimming in the bath





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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 03:49pm  #

Quoting: krysia
krysia

I had a picture I posted a while ago clipped so you couldn't see the whole thing.
Dare I ask what that gentleman is saying / screaming?

miranda     Dec 13, 2007, 03:56pm  #

Krysia,
you kill me:)

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 04:06pm  #

what a talented Artist we should hang that baby in muzeum narodowe w krakowie

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 04:12pm  #

Quoting: krysia


Thank goodness the Polish tradition calls for a carp for Christmas and not a pike... or a shark or a snapping turtle.

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  ♀   Edited by: krysia  Dec 13, 2007, 05:21pm  #

Quoting: osiol
I had a picture I posted a while ago clipped so you couldn't see the whole thing.
Dare I ask what that gentleman is saying / screaming?

click your pointer over it and you'll find out! haha

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 06:02pm  #

Why carp for Christmas?

Since Christmas Eve is technically a Lent (although abolished by Vatican few years ago) Fish is a must have dish. Fish is also an ancient symbol of Christ and Christianity. Although there are many fish dishes served on Christmas Eve the most common fish dish in Poland these days is Carp. There are many reasons for the popularity of carp. The carp inhabits standing and running fresh waters. For the first time the species was domesticated in China in the V c. BC. In Poland carp husbandry dates back to at least mid XII c. The earliest mentions of carp in the Zator Region date from the XIII c. The carp culturing centre situated here has been one of the most important of its kind in Poland since the middle ages. The flavor value of the Zator carp was appreciated by Polish kings, who were importing it onto their tables for years. In 1508 the Principalities of Oświęcim and Zator supplied the court of Sigismund I the Old with several dozen tonnes of the fish. The watercourses supplying water to the ponds were then a subject of many wrangles. In 1513, in a feud over water supplying ponds in Laskowa, Wawrzyniec Myszkowski, the castellan of Oświęcim, killed Prince of Zator, Janusz. As a result of this murder, the Principality of Zator was incorporated into Poland. Carps cultured by Adolf Gasch from Kaniów near Czechowice gained fame at the Berlin agricultural exhibition in 1880. Since then they have been called Galician carps - from the German name: "galizische Karpfen-Race"). This Carp is a must have fish dish on Christmas Eve. Given the history of carp in Poland carp is considered a fish fit for Kings. And as this poem shows carp and other variety of fish have been a traditional dish on Christmas Eve.

Z wielkiej kuchni gospodyni
Śle delicyę za delicyą,
Sutą ucztę pilnie czyni
Uważając na tradycję.

Teraz wisi ot, na włosku
Cnej jejmości słuszna sława,
Więc jest szczupak po żydowsku:
Prym jegomość temu dawa

Zasię potem lin w śmietanie
I karp tłusty w sosie szarym
Jedz - nie pytaj, mości panie,
A zapijaj węgrem starym.

Jedz - nie pytaj! - a gdyć mało,
Starodawną znaj wiliję:
Masz tłuczeńców misę całą
I zamorskie bakalije!

Did you know that some Poles keep one or two scales from the carp that was slathered for Christmas Eve in their wallet as it supposed to bring good fortune?

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 06:09pm  #

Quoting: Piorun
Fish is also an ancient symbol of Christ and Christianity


its actually signifies the age of pisces and was adopted by christianity

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 06:26pm  #

Quoting: BubbaWoo
its actually signifies the age of pisces and was adopted by christianity


In modern times, the fish outline symbol is experiencing a comeback. It is commonly seen in the form of a bumper sticker or casting mounted on the trunk lids of cars. The body of the symbol may be empty, or may contain a name ("Jesus" or "ICTUS"). This has inspired some Secularists, Atheists and promoters of the theory of evolution to mimic the Christian fish symbol with one of their own. It usually has "DARWIN" in the body of the fish, and little legs underneath. This has prompted "fish wars" between supporters of the secular and religious symbols.
But I see you’re supporter of the new age movement.

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  ♂   Dec 13, 2007, 06:59pm  #

Quoting: Piorun
But I see you’re supporter of the new age movement.


no - just aware of the facts



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