Food hygiene in Poland

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ReservoirDogThreads: - Posts: 220 Joined: Nov 22, 11 ♀	Edited by: ReservoirDog Nov 28, 11, 23:32 #31
shops/restaurants standards are always food standards regulated by law. O.k. I will go now, I'm bored.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Nov 29, 11, 17:14 #32
ReservoirDog: shops/restaurants standards are always food standards regulated by law. O.k. I will go now, I'm bored. so you agree that it's ok for me to scratch my ass and then rumage through the loose bread rolls in biedronka. whatever regulation there is is difficult to comprehend.

ReservoirDogThreads: - Posts: 220 Joined: Nov 22, 11 ♀	Edited by: ReservoirDog Nov 29, 11, 18:14 #33
so you agree that it's ok for me to scratch my ass and then rumage through the loose bread rolls in biedronka. whatever regulation there is is difficult to comprehend. The question was about "standards" , not whether it is difficult or not to comprehend, and for sure not about you and your standards...but food standards. Got it???

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,474 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Nov 29, 11, 18:31 #34
I'd personally like to see more temperature regulations, especially on buffets, warm food is really common in Poland, if its not consistently over 63oc its bacterial breeding heaven.

ReservoirDogThreads: - Posts: 220 Joined: Nov 22, 11 ♀	Edited by: ReservoirDog Nov 29, 11, 18:32 #35
Sellers should be subordinate to the law. There is also an organization that controls it and called Sanepid (Stacja Sanitarno Epidemiologiczna) which exist in every town. If selling food place does not apply to this law, then they have to pay a penalty, or such a place is closed. But I can not help if the buyer does not know basic rights. You can stop visiting these places or call Sanepid.

bullfrogThreads: 4 Posts: 390 Joined: Apr 23, 09 ♂	Nov 29, 11, 18:39 #36
ReservoirDog: And to those who laugh, yes we had higher standarst before EU, for example our standards for clean water. Higher standards for clean water? When no one dared to drink water from the tap, at least in Warsaw? Joker of the month, you are..

ReservoirDogThreads: - Posts: 220 Joined: Nov 22, 11 ♀	Edited by: ReservoirDog Nov 29, 11, 18:57 #37
When no one dared to drink water from the tap, at least in Warsaw? No one dared because it taste bad and is full of antybacterial chemistry, it's a capital..not Poland. All my life I was drinking water from the tap.

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Nov 29, 11, 19:06 #38

First the warning:

http://www.thevisitor.pl/index.php?id=194

then the explanation

Polish Journal of Environmental Studies , (Vol. 14) (No. 3) 327-333

The purpose of this work was to determine the occurrence of toxic phenol, chlorophenols, chlorocatechols and chlorinated methoxyphenols in the drinking water of the Polish cities of Lódz´ , Warszawa , Poznan and Wroclaw. In samples, chlorophenols, 4-chlorocatechol, chloroguaiacols, chlorosyringols and 5,6-dichlorovaniline were detected. Higher concentrations and number of chlorophenols and their chlorinated derivatives were noted in summer. Among the most toxic compounds, 2,4,5-trichlorophenol which causes toxicity to humans, including carcinogenicity, reproductive and developmental toxicity, neurotoxicity, and acute toxicityin was found in the drinking water of Warszawa (summer and winter) and Lódz´ (winter) and tetrachlorophenol in water of Wrocaw (summer) were noted. Their concentrations were above the admissible standards of the EU and the US EPA. In some cases the concentrations of chloroguaiacols and 5,6-dichlorovanillin also were significant.

Happy?

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Edited by: ReservoirDog Nov 30, 11, 13:11 #39

translation please. otherwise it goes in the bin.

Feel free.

I. This is an answer to: http://www.thevisitor.pl/index.php?id=194

3. Many people choose bottled water instead of tap. Are there diametric differences in their quality?

The tap water in Poland is subject to more restrictive laws than bottled water. It is regularly checked by health professionals of our country who decide to admit it as drinking water for general consumption. It is safe for health. The quality of water in the bottle corresponds to the manufacturer and should not contain pathogenic bacteria. (http://polki.pl/tester-brita_cala-prawda_artykul,10017907.html)

II. Answer to this: Polish Journal of Environmental Studies , (Vol. 14) (No. 3) 327-333

Union puts greater demands in relation to the content of chlorides and dissolved or emulsified hydrocarbons to extract the oil extractable. For example, Polish regulations allow the chloride content of 250 ml / l, and the EU - 200 ml / l.

Polish regulation established the classification of different ratios of surface waters. As suitable for abstraction of drinking water, it indicates a first-class water purity, while regulation does not contain requirements for the water abstracted for drinking.

Both (EU Directive and polish regulation) have the same 33 indicators. The Directive does not contain the 22 indicators that are present in the Polish regulation. The Regulation provides uniform water quality standards, independent of the scope of the treatment of water abstracted for drinking. 23 indicators included in the Polish standards meet the strictest standards of Directives covering simple water treatment in category A1, 5 A2, and 1 in category A3.

The polish Regulation contains additional indicators such as benzo (a) pyrene, chlorophyll, saprobowość, total phosphorus, total hardness, sodium, potassium, solutes, silver, chlorine free, thiocyanates, sulfides, formaldehyde, acrylonitrile, caprolactam, nickel, vanadium, pathogenic bacteria. However the Directive contains the following indicators are not included in the Regulation: bar, substances which can be extracted with chloroform, the number of coliforms at 370C in 100 ml of water, faecal streptococci per 100 m1 of water, salmonella, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons.

The Polish law on protection of groundwater is more restrictive than the provisions of the European Union

There is no equivalent in polish Regulation to the Council Directive [6] of water quality required for shellfish habitat. This is due to the fact that in Poland did not catch seep shellfish for consumption.

http://miks.ar.wroc.pl/doktorek/html/mgr/html/06.html

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Edited by: BLS Dec 1, 11, 09:07 #40

ReservoirDog:

O.k. I will go now, I'm bored.

Do us all a favor and go already...you've posted 4 times since you said you would go.

Croggers made some salient points in his initial post - why the negative backlash? He isn't complaining - he's airing some concerns about basic sanitation in regards to food preparation in Poland. I have many of the same concerns and am very interested in the subject.

I get so tired of posters on this forum who are obviously so frustrated with their own lives that they need to come online to lash out at innocent bystanders.

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Dec 1, 11, 13:41 #41

Do us all a favor and go already...you've posted 4 times since you said you would go.

Since you are here I changed my mind ;)

Croggers made some salient points in his initial post

I gave him kind answer. As I see you read too much between lines, but o.k I go it, I should always finish sentence with words "just don't get me wrong". I told him we have EU standards,and he said "I doub't that", funny huh?? (salient points, yeah right)

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Dec 1, 11, 15:51 #42
ReservoirDog: I told him we have EU standards Which are not met.

ReservoirDogThreads: - Posts: 220 Joined: Nov 22, 11 ♀	Dec 1, 11, 16:07 #43
Which are not met. and this is a differen story ;)

noreenbThreads: 4 Posts: 1,082 Joined: Apr 22, 09 ♀	Dec 1, 11, 20:10 #44
Very high. all I can say about Polish food.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Dec 1, 11, 20:40 #45
noreenb: Very high. all I can say As long as you've got a cast-iron stomach and a strong immune system.

ReservoirDogThreads: - Posts: 220 Joined: Nov 22, 11 ♀	Dec 1, 11, 20:47 #46
a strong immune system. Well, then maybe you have AIDS.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Edited by: JonnyM Dec 1, 11, 21:30 #47
ReservoirDog: Well, then maybe you have AIDS. No - completely free of that, but after years of wedliny, my immune system is strong enough to fight anything off. Which is good, since I ordered steak tartare in a Warsaw restaurant (on Nowy Swiat, no less) and had actually eaten some before I realised it wasn't beef tatare - the old hag of a waitress had brought me raw pork...

ReservoirDogThreads: - Posts: 220 Joined: Nov 22, 11 ♀	Dec 1, 11, 21:57 #48
beef tatare I see you are very brave man ;)

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Dec 1, 11, 22:04 #49
Real tatare is great - and should be prepared under sterile conditions. But this turned out to be raw pork. I'm sure that's illegal to sell. Mind you, I once knew a guy (not in Poland) who used to pay a butcher to let him stand outside the shop and eat raw chicken. I don't know ehy, but he was more than a bit weird.

ReservoirDogThreads: - Posts: 220 Joined: Nov 22, 11 ♀	Edited by: ReservoirDog Dec 1, 11, 22:49 #50
should be prepared under sterile conditions I know I am annoying, but there is no such thing as sterile, of course in natural conditions, except bladder maybe :D..etc.

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