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HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Oct 28, 10, 19:15 #61
delphiandomine: But - tell you what, the office sandwich market isn't very big here at all. You know what I mean - people coming round to sell sandwiches. Really? In this building we have three guys coming round every day with sandwiches and one guy with sushi.

Cardno85Threads: 33 Posts: 858 Joined: Jul 11, 08 MEMBER ♂	Oct 28, 10, 19:43 #62
Lucky bugger!

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Oct 28, 10, 19:49 #63

Bolle:

Every time i walk by there i see a massive line up. Good "home cooked" food and reasonable prices.

i've seen the same.

if bolle doesn't mind. it's midway between the hala targowa and galeria.... on a corner.

chefneedshelp:

but my experience of starbucks are that they are sh1te

and that's why u should take their customers. they are located just off plac grunwaldzki. an area full of students

THE HITMANThreads: 1 Posts: 416 Joined: Jun 15, 10 ♂	Oct 28, 10, 20:01 #64
delphiandomine: they like (well, love) bread I,ve been to quite a few festivals, concerts etc, and noticed bread and smalec along with a soured gherkin is a good hit.

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Oct 28, 10, 21:27 #65

From my point of view, it will be better if you would consider:
1) Who will be your objective people? Businessmen, students, tourists, etc?
2) The style of your resaurant?
3) Your objective people will lead the the pricing, I think. And how about the gross margin you would like to get?
4) Your objective people also will lead the location. How many your objective people will pass by your restaurant?

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Oct 28, 10, 21:35 #66

Irisz:

agreed but in order to do that I need to find what is the most in demand over there who spends the money where and why

Cardno85Threads: 33 Posts: 858 Joined: Jul 11, 08 MEMBER ♂	Oct 28, 10, 21:40 #67
Irisz Maybe you need to learn the difference between target and objective (when dealing with customers). I am no grammar nazi but your entire post mad no sense. It took me 10 minutes to decifer it.

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Oct 28, 10, 21:48 #68

chefneedshelp:

I need to find what is the most in demand over there who spends the money

I believe a big hit would be, "salads, soups and wraps", made from fresh local produce, open kitchen, a few tables and a takeaway hatch, here is a company I know in Amsterdam, its all funky soups that you would normally only get in specialist restaurants. http://www.soupkitchen.nl/soupkitchen_en.html
The Poles have been brought up on soups and if you package it in a similar manner to the coffee chic, it will sell.

Summer, heavy on salad and wraps
Winter, heavy on soups and wraps

Chicago PollockThreads: 10 Posts: 638 Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂	Edited by: Chicago Pollock Oct 29, 10, 05:43 #69
Just curious, a question for the group: when in England I love English pubs and yes, pub food. Would that work in Poland?

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Oct 29, 10, 10:33 #70
Chicago Pollock: pub food. Depends what you mean I suppose. Doesn't tend to be too much variety in what I would regard as pub food. Also, the term tends to be used as a derogatory one e.g. criticising the standards of a restaurant as bing "like pub food". Among English speakers, somewhere advertising Pub Food woyuldn't exactly excite them.

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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Oct 29, 10, 10:44 #71

Teffle:

Also, the term tends to be used as a derogatory one e.g. criticising the standards of a restaurant as bing "like pub food".

Not in my opinion British pub food is usually great, a wide selection of traditional English. The big chains have pretty much sown up the market - regardless they knock out good quality food.

BBQ Ribs
£9.99
A whole rack of BBQ pork ribs served with extra BBQ sauce, chips and coleslaw.

Beef Burger
£6.75
A 6oz** burger made from 100% prime beef in a toasted bun with sliced tomato, salad leaves and mayonnaise. Served with chips, battered onion rings and coleslaw. (Add an Extra Beef Burger for £1.00 or Cheese and Bacon Topping for £0.75)

Chicken Burger
£6.99
A whole grilled chicken breast in a toasted bun with sliced tomato, salad leaves and mayonnaise. Served with chips, battered onion rings and coleslaw.Add Cheese and Bacon Topping for £0.75.

Grilled Gammon Steak
£6.99
Topped with either two fried eggs, two grilled pineapple slices or one of each. Served with chips, garden peas, half a grilled tomato and pan-fried mushrooms.

Mixed Grill
£9.99
A 4oz** rump steak, two pork sausages and gammon steak
topped with a fried egg. Served with chips, half a grilled tomato, pan-fried mushrooms and garden peas.

Rump Steak
£8.99
Cooked any way you fancy. Served with chips, garden peas, half a grilled tomato and pan-fried mushrooms. Add Creamy Peppercorn or Bearnaise Sauce for £1.00 or Battered Whole Onion Rings for £1.00.

Sirloin Steak
£9.99
Cooked any way you fancy. Served with chips, garden peas, half a grilled tomato and pan-fried mushrooms. Add Creamy Peppercorn or Bearnaise Sauce for £1.00 or Battered Whole Onion Rings for £1.00.

Surf, Turf & Chicken
£9.99
A 4oz** rump steak, a whole grilled chicken breast and breaded scampi^. Served with chips and your choice of a lightly dressed side salad or garden peas.

Thats just the grill menu from Brewers Fayre

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Oct 29, 10, 10:57 #72
Wroclaw Boy: Not in my opinion British pub food is usually great, Sure, I get you - but it doesn't change the fact that the term is often used dismissively, regardless of the actual quality - which may be good, bad or indifferent. That's my impression anyway. Marketing-wise, based on the term alone, I wouldn't be so sure that pub food is the way to go.

orford777Threads: - Posts: 3 Joined: Oct 28, 10 ♂	Oct 29, 10, 12:19 #73
Keep posting your thoughts. I'd be curious to people's opinions. I've moved to Wroclaw recently and I was in the restaurant biz for many years in the US. I'm always interested in comments on the local food scene. Good luck and bon appetit.

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Oct 29, 10, 13:59 #74

as an Englishman (although half French) who spends about 6 months a year in Wroclaw, I have noticed that Poles are fairly conservative about food, but when you cook for them and they try something good they like it..so getting them through the door would be the big challenge. But generally avoid any connection with English about food, it has only bad vibes here unless you are selling tea. But seems there would be room here for some new places if they have an edge and something to get people through the door.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Oct 29, 10, 18:14 #75
Harry: Really? In this building we have three guys coming round every day with sandwiches and one guy with sushi. Sushi? Just goes to show that Warsaw is years ahead of the rest of the country ;)

MaybeThreads: 7 Posts: 335 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Oct 29, 10, 20:27 #76
delphiandomine: Sushi? There are loadsa place to eat Sushi in Gdansk, Gdynia and Sopot

warszawskiThreads: 60 Posts: 2,386 Joined: May 21, 10 ♂	Edited by: warszawski Oct 29, 10, 20:57 #77
chefneedshelp: Poles from my experience like coffee sorry to offend any one but my experience of starbucks are that they are sh1te You can not think with an Irish/English head, Starbucks have recently arrived in Poland, so it should enlighten you, about your future market. Sh1te UK is trendy in PL.

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Oct 29, 10, 21:17 #78

chefneedshelp:

Right I had another thread Looking for chef jobs, Convex made a suggestion to perhaps go into catering so my question is this. If a Restaurant/ Cafe were to open in Wroclaw serving top qaulity home made food at reasonable prices with Polish and english speaking staff how long would it last is there a market for this? was over before and I'm just not sure. From where I stand the Polish eat at home and like what they like.

From an English persons perspective (tourist who has visited Wraclaw) - its got some excellent little restaurants, for me it knocked spots off Krakow (no offence to Krakow) - so you have some very tough competition. Im not one to go for the whole "lets find somewhere English to eat" but there are those that do..Im sure ex-pats would love it..nothing like a taste of home..

I think this is a good idea:

Maybe:

English speaking staff might be a novelty value especially if you opened near a University.
Affordable food in a funky environment with some subtle music and interesting decor as well as a good range of teas and coffee.

But remember English speaking might mean they're from Asia so stew and dumplings and shephards pie on the menu might not go down so well...

I think to get locals in you have to be competitive (no different to the UK these days) and have an edge of what's already there...small menu with a mix of Polish traditional and English traditional dishes....perfect!

Wroclaw Boy:

Thats not a bad idea, you have two types in the UK - the stationary burger vans (they usually knock out great cheese burgers)

You mean cheap "barely legal burgers" that only people who've had at least 10 pints will drink?

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,474 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Oct 30, 10, 10:40 #79
Amathyst: You mean cheap "barely legal burgers" that only people who've had at least 10 pints will drink? You dont drink a cheeseburger!! No, you obviously have never eaten a typical Polish cheeseburger Shelley, although sounds like you have eaten plenty of British ones after 10 pints. Good burger vans do a storming trade in the UK.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Oct 30, 10, 10:54 #80
Maybe: There are loadsa place to eat Sushi in Gdansk, Gdynia and Sopot Same here, most of them absolutely dire. I absolutely hate this Polish obsession with "atmosphere" - get the food right first! But I've never seen anyone selling sushi in office buildings :)

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