Ok, what is it? Golumpkis or Golabkis?

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Jun 4, 11, 06:52 #1

My grandmother (and now my mother) have from time to time made what we call "Golumpkis", which are basically a meat filling stuffed in cabbage leaves. That's the only name I've known for them my entire life, until recently. My Polish girlfriend, however, had no idea what I was talking about whenever I mentioned the food until I described it to her, and she says she only knows them as "Golabkis". So, what's the deal? Which one is the right name? Are neither right? Are both right?

asikThreads: 2 Posts: 547 Joined: Feb 17, 09 ♀	Jun 4, 11, 07:14 #2
OmegaSupreme: "Golumpkis" OmegaSupreme: she only knows them as "Golabkis" Correct spelling is *Gołąbki*. OmegaSupreme: So, what's the deal? The deal is, both of you don't know Polish.

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Jun 4, 11, 08:41 #3

golumbki (or actually gołumbki) is a dialectal form of gołąbki - many Polish people who left for America spoke dialects and had no or little training in written Polish language (or in literary spoken Polish) - actually they had little education to speak of - this was true for people who left for America before the world war I and for the most part also during the so called interbellum (the time between the two world wars)

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Edited by: OmegaSupreme Jun 4, 11, 09:54 #4

asik:

Correct spelling is Gołąbki.

Dziękuję.

asik:

The deal is, both of you don't know Polish.

She is fluent in Polish. The spelling was my own. My Polish is non-existant except for a few words.

gumishu:

golumbki (or actually gołumbki) is a dialectal form of gołąbki - many Polish people who left for America spoke dialects and had no or little training in written Polish language (or in literary spoken Polish) - actually they had little education to speak of - this was true for people who left for America before the world war I and for the most part also during the so called interbellum (the time between the two world wars)

Thank you, that makes perfect sense. Whatever way it's said or spelled, though, they sure are delicious. :)

MaaarysiaThreads: 3 Posts: 541 Joined: Feb 27, 10 ♀	Jun 4, 11, 10:15 #5
Worth to mention is that gołąbki are already in plural form... therefore I'm not sure is it correct to follow form like "gołąbkis". One gołąbek Two gołąbki OmegaSupreme: Whatever way it's said Just to make things clear, pronounciation: "ł" is read like English "w" "ą" is read like "om"

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Edited by: Polonius3 Jun 4, 11, 12:17 #6
GOŁĄBKI: pronunciation roughly -- goWUMPkee GOŁUMBKI: dialectal pronunciation -- goWOOMPkee Incidentally, when speaking english do we apply the ethnic/foreign or indigenous English pluralisation norm? Is it pierogi (in English) or pierogis? If so, we should say 2 zucchini not zucchinis, as the Italian singular is zucchino.

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09 ♂	Jun 4, 11, 13:13 #7
Maaarysia: One gołąbek Two gołąbki So what's 5 of them? Gołąbków? (I think) I know that works with pączki.

strzygaThreads: 4 Posts: 985 Joined: Apr 30, 08 ♀	Jun 4, 11, 13:22 #8
ShawnH: So what's 5 of them? Gołąbków? (I think) I know that works with pączki. yes, it works the same way as with pączki. Double plural is nothing unusual. In Polish, we've done it with chipsy. That's our revenge for the pierogis.

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Jun 4, 11, 13:44 #9

Funny thing about gołąbki is that it is such an ubiquitous dish in world's different cuisines. Pretty much anywhere there is meat and cabbage available you'll find a local variety of gołąbki. The Thai version (originally Chinese) is particularly tasty. The trick is in the mixture of ground garlic, coriander root and black pepper added to the ground meat and seasoned with oyster and light soya sauce.

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Jun 4, 11, 14:07 #10

Maaarysia:

Worth to mention is that gołąbki are already in plural form... therefore I'm not sure is it correct to follow form like "gołąbkis".
One gołąbek
Two gołąbki

I'll take that into consideration as soon as Polish speakers stop using forms like

jeden beatles
dwaj beatelsie

jeden hipis
dwaj hipisie

The correect forms in (American) English are

one golumpki (or whatever, I'd just say 'cabbage roll')
two golumpkis (or golumpkis)

one pierogi
two pierogies

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Jun 4, 11, 14:39 #11
mafketis: dwaj hipisie hipisi even

strzygaThreads: 4 Posts: 985 Joined: Apr 30, 08 ♀	Jun 4, 11, 17:03 #12
mafketis: I'll take that into consideration as soon as Polish speakers stop using forms likejeden beatlesdwaj beatelsie No. If you want to make it even, you should go with: jeden bitles - dwaj bitlesi. Or replace "golumpki" with "golabki".

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