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southern
  May 30, 07, 09:42  #31

Quoting: miranda

well, I have been studying with them and I haven't noticed any differance at all. You have been talking a lot of rubbish,

Quoting: miranda

I don't think it is, nothing else has been invented yet. I am counting on southern here.


Miranda you have no idea about statistics.Yes colleges and universities know them very well and take them into account on admission policies.Have you any idea what would happen if people would be accpepted based on their performance on tests without taking gender into account?Now over 60% of university graduates would be women.
So the college administrators looking at society expectations accept men with lower scores and do not admit females with higher scores.This is equality policy.
Did you see what happened in France?After the violent riots,Shiraq passed legislation that members of minortity arabs will be admitted to Grand Ecoles without adequate scores,that is society puts a lot of pressure to diminish the curve created by IQ.If society did not intervene,you would be surprised.Heavy conflicts would arise.

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southern
  May 30, 07, 09:51  #32

Quoting: szarlotka
doubt there are hundred of such studies all with differing results. Key question is whether you accept IQ as a fair test of intelligence or not.


The research you mentioned does not in fact disagree with the numbers I gave.It simply puts every country's population IQ 5 points lower.Look at african states.By this research the average has an IQ of 75 which means 50% of population are borderline retarded.I gave a more favourable average IQ to african states.
Your objection has no point.I was based on the recent research by a british university teacher who attributed success of GB in 100 year war to the 5 points difference in IQ between english and french.He found that Germans have the highest IQ and Poles are the third in rank.

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southern
Edited by: southern  May 30, 07, 09:52  #33

The black guy played with the numbers and the statistics thinking that nobody would understand what he did to oppose him.Unfortunately for him,there are people in the forum familiar with this kind of stuff.

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miranda
Edited by: miranda  May 30, 07, 10:06  #34

Quoting: southern
Did you see what happened in France?After the violent riots,Shiraq passed legislation that members of minortity arabs will be admitted to Grand Ecoles without adequate scores,that is society puts a lot of pressure to diminish the curve created by IQ.If society did not intervene,you would be surprised.Heavy conflicts would arise.

that was a different situation. I was done to avoid riots in the future, which France has been trying to avoid. I was talking about Canada alone where students are admitted based on their highschool performance. It is difficult to get in, it is even more difficult to to pass 1 st and 2nd year, during which 'the weeding out " process takes place. 3rd year is much easier in comparison to 1 and the 2 year. As for the admittion process - I don't recall that "race" has even been a part of the appliction process. Admittion is usually done on paper or online, so there is hardly any room for discrimination.
PS. nobody gets a break because of their race of luck of language skills. There is no mercy - everybody has to perform according to university standards. It is a very fair system in my opinion.


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miranda
Edited by: miranda  May 30, 07, 10:10  #35

Quoting: southern
Miranda you have no idea about statistics

why would yu say that? Statistics is quite easy to understand. My point is that statistics doesn't explain everything.


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Grzegorz_
  May 30, 07, 10:20  #36

Quoting: IdW
If I, as a Black person who studied at Oxford


Fantastic boombastic, but the general point of your weired post is... ?


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miranda
  May 30, 07, 10:42  #37

Quoting: IdW

Great post


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Grzegorz_
  May 30, 07, 11:25  #38

Quoting: miranda
Great post


What's so great ? He can be right on many things but why the hell does he post It here ?


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miranda
Edited by: miranda  May 30, 07, 11:29  #39

Quoting: Grzegorz_
He can be right on many things

exactly - I found it refreshing and to the point. I very much enjoyed it.


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southern
Edited by: southern  May 30, 07, 12:59  #40

Quoting: miranda
As for the admittion process - I don't recall that "race" has even been a part of the appliction process. Admittion is usually done on paper or online, so there is hardly any room for discrimination.
PS. nobody gets a break because of their race of luck of language skills. There is no mercy - everybody has to perform according to university standards. It is a very fair system in my opinion.


I do not know the situation in Canada,if there is a fair percentage of black population.
I talk mainly about USA.What we discuss here is also hot pedagogic topic there.Americans take statistics very much into consideration and that is why they avoid problems like the ones France(with lower minority percentages) faced.
Maybe I will enter the discussion about educational systems and their evaluation but this is not the topic here.

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southern
Edited by: southern  May 30, 07, 13:01  #41

Quoting: miranda

why would yu say that? Statistics is quite easy to understand. My point is that statistics doesn't explain everything.


The opposite.Statistics are quite difficult to understand.Especially high level statistics.It has been proved that understanding of statistics correlates linear with a person's IQ.
It is mainly stuff of the latest century and needs maths to grasp it.
From your answers it seems you do not have a concept of simple statistics items like sample size.

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southern
  May 30, 07, 13:03  #42

Quoting: miranda

exactly - I found it refreshing and to the point. I very much enjoyed it.


What was refreshing?This guy tried to manipulate numbers and mathematical methods.
You call this right?Right to manipulation?
O.K.

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miranda
Edited by: miranda  May 30, 07, 13:06  #43

Quoting: southern
I talk mainly about USA.What we discuss here is also hot pedagogic topic there.Americans take statistics very much into consideration and that is why they avoid problems like the ones France(with lower minority percentages) faced.

Precisly. Every country has its own struggle with minorieties and their fair treatment. Next time specify what country you are talking about and there will be less misunderstanding on my part.


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miranda
  May 30, 07, 13:09  #44

Quoting: southern
.It has been proved that understanding of statistics correlates linear with a person's IQ.

Oh, OK then, therefore mY IQ is lower than yours then, accoding to your ideology.
Quoting: southern
From your answers it seems you do not have a concept of simple statistics items like sample size.

I wouldn;t say that. You are speaking in general terms and it is difficult to understand what you are talking about. You need to be more specific.


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miranda
  May 30, 07, 13:11  #45

Quoting: southern
This guy tried to manipulate numbers and mathematical methods.

prove it.
Quoting: southern
Right to manipulation?

I can say the same about your post.


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espana
  May 30, 07, 13:18  #46

Quoting: miranda
prove it.

dont say that .... make me remember puzzler!!!
where r u puzzler ?
daffy dont be a bigot !!!!!! can you let back him please?
do you?


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southern
  May 30, 07, 13:18  #47

Quoting: miranda

prove it.


I already proved it.The 30% of blacks having IQ above polish people is fake.He made it up making bad use of standard deviation.
Also what he wrote about chances of highly educated in Poland is contrived but I will write about that maybe later.

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southern
  May 30, 07, 13:19  #48

Quoting: miranda

I can say the same about your post.


My post is not manipulative cause I used statistical,scientific data.He used fallacies.Totally different way to prove sth.

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southern
  May 30, 07, 13:21  #49

Quoting: miranda

Oh, OK then, therefore mY IQ is lower than yours then, accoding to your ideology.


Wrong.It is not my ideology.Americans have already measured all this.What I say is that you have not been taught statistics which americans in university learn and I am surprised how good they use them.

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miranda
Edited by: miranda  May 30, 07, 13:23  #50

Quoting: espana
dont say that .... make me remember puzzler!!!

I know, we are the same zodiac sign, so I am as bad as he is.
Quoting: southern
Also what he wrote about chances of highly educated in Poland is contrived but I will write about that maybe later.

I agree, that didn't make much sense and lacked logic. He had some good points about the ranking of Polish aducation system though, and a good point about the fact that the present situation is not a rehersal - it's is a real thing.


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southern
Edited by: southern  May 30, 07, 13:24  #51

Quoting: miranda

Precisly. Every country has its own struggle with minorieties and their fair treatment. Next time specify what country you are talking about and there will be less misunderstanding on my part.


I do not know the educational system in Canada.Is it closer to french or to english model?French are considered to be a minority?I have read it is closer to european educational system than the american,I do not know.

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miranda
Edited by: miranda  May 30, 07, 13:32  #52

Quoting: southern
French are considered to be a minority?

French have their own universities in Quebec - some French, some English. I don't know how different their education is from the one in English speaking parts of Canada.
Quoting: southern
I have read it is closer to european educational system than the american,I do not know.

I am not an expert on the american education system, if we are talking about the uni level.
I can only compare canadian and polish, since those are the only 2 I have experinced.
Just to show you how different the Candian system is in comparison to Polish.
In Canada the prof has much more freedom when it comes to the curriculum of a particular subject, 2 profs teaching the same subject can teach it differently.
At my university people usually go for the professor moreso that for the subject, since some of them are better and more interesting than others, so there is a lot of flexibility, which I didn't find in Poland at all.


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southern
Edited by: southern  May 30, 07, 13:37  #53

Quoting: miranda
prof has much more freedom when it comes to the curriculum of a particular subject, 2 profs teaching the same subject can teach it differently.
At my university people usually go for the professor moreso that for the subject, since some of them are better and more interesting than others, so there is a lot of flexibility, which I didn't find in Poland at all.


This is the same as in USA.Is student-professor relation more loose or formal?I mean can the students meet their prof. outside classroom etc?Can they ask questions interrupting the lecture?
Exams are based on multiple choice system or on memorization of pages?is there one book to be examed or are there multiple books and you choose?
In Canada universities are state owned,not true?

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miranda
  May 30, 07, 13:56  #54

Quoting: southern
Is student-professor relation more loose or formal?

rather loose
Quoting: southern
I mean can the students meet their prof. outside classroom etc

yes, it is encouraged
Quoting: southern
Can they ask questions interrupting the lecture?

oh , yes, it is welcomed by the profs
Quoting: southern
Exams are based on multiple choice system

that and essey questions, also many courses reqire position papers quite often, sometimes on thinkers or based on book(s)
Quoting: southern
memorization of pages

never
Quoting: southern
is there one book to be examed

usually 2-3 of them or so called a course reader where the prof gathers the asighn readings.
Quoting: southern
In Canada universities are state owned

subsudised by teh government, but still expensive, not as expensive as in the USA though.


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unicornes
  May 30, 07, 14:04  #55

Quoting: southern
Nonsense.Blacks have an average IQ of 80 or even lower.Poles stand at 106.
This means that only about 10% of blacks have a higher IQ than 106,that is the average Pole.


haha. . i was about to start quarelin with u, but i checked thta site about IQ researches. .. . so it s true!! blacks are less inteligent:P that s why i didnt fit with my nigerian bf . . . . (nigeria-67, poland-99. hahh;D:D:D: )


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Amanda91
  May 30, 07, 14:39  #56

Quoting: opts
I guess, the main reason why foreigners are coming to Poland is employment opportunities. Any other?

I can't speak for anyone else but my family came here, for let's call it long term vacation.


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Michal
  May 30, 07, 14:54  #57

I am English so where does my I.Q stand? Somewhere between 80 and 120, I suppose.

Mainly, surely, people come and visit Poland as it is still relatively cheap.

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southern
Edited by: southern  May 30, 07, 15:05  #58

Quoting: unicornes


haha. . i was about to start quarelin with u, but i checked thta site about IQ researches. .. . so it s true!! blacks are less inteligent:P that s why i didnt fit with my nigerian bf . . . . (nigeria-67, poland-99. hahh;D:D:D: )


There is some truth in that.Relationships between people of similar educational level are more likely to be stable.

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szarlotka
  May 30, 07, 15:10  #59

Quoting: southern
It has been proved that understanding of statistics correlates linear with a person's IQ.


And your basis or evidence for this conclusion is?


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TheKruk
  May 30, 07, 15:51  #60

Well I first came to Poland............ oh my I.Q. is ahhh what are we talking about

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