Why are foreigners coming to Poland and from which countries?

in regards to this topic, i believe humans have been moving from place to place for a long time, only since we have become very nationalistic do we recognise others as foreigners. where the british foreigners when they invaded africa and asia - that was called the great british empire. i don't land belongs to anyone, everyone has the right to it - just use it properly

i dont think soo

1. Compare IQ differences between the UK based Indians and India based Indians... The Asians who predominantly take University positions are Indians. See UCL, Kings, LSE and Imperial statistics.

2. Where did you find the statistic that says that UK based blacks have an avg. IQ of 80

3. My point is (and I think you missed it) is that a distribution is just that, A DISTRIBUTION. As such there are REPRESENTATIVES OF ALL RACES AT ALL PARTS OF THE CURVES.

4. Re UK based black IQ vs. global black IQ see point 1 regarding asians. IIRC The avg IQ in India is 80 - in the UK it doesnt differ much from the host population.

5. Asians do not take the best/majority of places at Oxbridge. Most students in Oxford/Cambridge are white and middle/upper class.

6. I am not seeking to prove anything about every person in either group. Im not even trying to question the validity of IQ tests. IMO they are both (given our current level of scientific advancement) a time consuming distraction which is highly unlikely to yield definitive results. My point is that it is your inferences are flawed.

7. As always (see 6. above also) I am willing to accept much of what you say (because as in many things, while splitting hairs is an integral part of intellectual rigour, when used overmuch and prematurely it can obscure and hinder the main thrust of the argument ). If we assume then that 5% of black people are of "suitably high intelligence" (I havent had time to read the above in detail in detail and in much of this dont have time to extract the exact terms that you used.) then given that there are 800 million black people on the planet that means that there are 40 Million black people on the planet with a significantly higher IQ than most members of the Polish population. In fact, in absolute terms, there are more high IQ "black people" then there are Polish People (or its a close thing). USING YOUR FIGURES.

8. In truth you are on a proverbial "hiding to nothing" when you try to infer (with certainty) things about an individual using sample statistics [from a phenomenon which follows an open tailed distribution] about a group. THAT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE with above avg. intelligence. Does that include you?

9. It is not beyond the realms that the most intelligent person person alive is NOT white (or black/african) for that matter.

As an aside in the above it seems as if you feel that I have an agenda which seeks to prove "contentious" facts about "blacks". Let me assure you that I am quite capable of distinguishing desire from fact. I am willing to accept (see above.) that blacks score lower AVERAGE IQ tests than whites. I personally couldnt care less above that. I do concern myself however with those among all populations who due to their own difficiencies fail to UNDERSTAND what that really means.

NOT in the UK..

NO I didnt do it assuming that you wouldnt be able to understand. Unfortunately though, it seems that the core point has evaded you.

See my posts above.

I post on quite a few forums and (as befits someone of my education) am quite capable of, and in truth even welcome, robust debate. I warn you though sir.. You will not find me wanting.

Your rebuttal please. (If you can)

You would do better to refer to me as IdW not "the black guy"..

I didnt call you "the pink guy" did I.. ;)

Keep reading.. It will dawn on you eventually... Maybe..

Did I.. ?

You dont know me.. Dont presume to attribute underhandedness to me where it could just be slovenliness, time constraints, or a sleight of hand for purposes of expediency.

I normally spend my time on economic forums and dont really have much time to read/post here.. In truth I cant even remember how I stumbled on this site.

I dont find the current changes in the UK interesting. I welcome Poles in general to the UK as even if this does cause temporary cultural/economic ructions, it is the System which is at fault and the relatively few INDIVIDUALS who call the shots.

I find some of the views here misguided and ill-informed.

Nonetheless (compliment alert) I am impressed in the main by the willingness on most of the combatants on this site (on all sides of all arguments) to engage in (semi-)reasoned debate.

I dont have a drum to bash regarding Poles in the UK as it doesnt really affect me directly. Yet!!

(MY) Case in point..

Its a distribution honey..

On are you below average.. (No insult intended!)

No... Besides... could you stop polluting "Why are foreigners coming to Poland and from which countries?" topic with your "black person this", "black person that" crap ?

Like a said above lots of reports have different numbers..

And yes Blacks in the West score higher than elsewhere.. (As covered elsewhere).. In fact nutrition is accepted as being a major determinant in IQ scores. So obviously YES.

TRY AND EXTRACT THE CORE POINT.. Or dont they teach you how to do that in poland? (Only joking!!)

example 101.

for integers

x + y = (x + 1) + (y -1)
x + 1 = x + 1

now given an example

2 + 2 = 3 + 1
3 + 1 = 3 (error!) [should be 3 + 1 = 4] (of course)

principle

Invalidating the INSTANCE doesn't invalidate the PRINCIPLE

As long as we are talking avg. on an open tailed distribution (with slim ends) there will be significant numbers of non-Pole "darkies" who possess significantly greater intelligence.

So stop all the name calling. Like the wife who complains that her husband just goes to sleep at night without paying attention to his husbandly duties [missing the point that the deficiency might lay with her], it just shows your lack of understanding.

what on earth has been the point of this thread?Black vs White IQ levels,eh,wtf has that got to do with why do people move to Poland? Statistics are the tool of the unimaginative and can always be manipulated by some smart a r s e to prove whatever they like. The whole of the above arguments have been pointless,untill we all become some how telepathicaly linked to other members of our exact racial background what on earth is to be gained by boasting how many high iq holders belong to your club?
So,apart from some Koreans selling dodgy looking hotDOGS and the freindly arab guys I met in a Warsaw Kebab shop,just who else is moving to Poland and why? Do people who manage to get out of belrus get leave to stay in Poland?

Probably the most IQed post of the whole topic.



To sum up the interesting arguments between southern and Idw, I think Idw is pretty angry at some anti-black posts at the HIV-related topic (which has been locked!) and elsewhere in this forum, and he, as an Oxfoxd student(?), wants to show that the Poles are untitled to sniff at European blacks like himself as they are the very elites of the blacks, who is more IQed to the Poles just by the sheer statistical power (I am among the top 5% of the 800 million with 85 IQ average, ergo I am more clever than you 106 IQ average racist scums!)
The posts of southern is much more clearer because it has only one obvious goal: to prove that the white (and Poles) are more IQed than blacks by putting forth mass statistics. Pure and simple.

What troubles me most is the undertone of Idw's posts (especially the 1st one). While I thoroughly think that some racist Poles should get what Idw think they deserve, there are too much hidden scorn of Idw towards Poland and Poles. Let's quote the famous passage again:


The stress on individual effort and achievements is noble, but the way Idw dismiss the whole yet very complicated state of Poland is an obvious mixture of scorn and ignorance. Idw has made the greatest mistake by fighting racism with racism and vanity with vanity. I just wonder if those racist remarks elsewhere were not by Poles but by the Teutons or Anglo-Saxons, then what will you do? Nay (I can’t resist some drama-theatricality here!), what if they were made by the very articulate white 6ft2’’male upper class Anglo-Saxons or Teutons? Possibly you will cry helplessly as a baby, who knows? Be clear.

To return to the main topic, the answers are simple:
-1st group: foreigners who have some connections and lots of love for Poland, they come to stay forever (or as long as the love in physical form is terminated!). Mostly from countries with large Polish immigration.
-2nd group: If they are from richer countries (Germany, France, Holland...), they come for pure professional job (which is demanded), and if they are from poorer non-EU countries, for Professional and low-paid job.
The situation in Poland is exceptionally similar to all other EU countries.

Polish people are moving to the UK and USA why should they ask why people are moving into Poland whats the big deal here.

Southern has all the traits of a National Socialst. I hope he doesn't come to the UK. We don't like Henrich Himmler.

Newsflash>> The question was," Why are foreigners coming to Poland and from which countries?".

Okay so lets break the question down and answer it in parts.

The "why", for economic reasons, for political reasons, for emotional reasons, non-specific reasons.
Which are the foreign groups identified as coming to Poland and what are their numbers?

So the first largely identifieable non-native group is the vietnamiese and china contingent. The second group might be..... please continue fellow forum postees.

(I visit this site to glean information and expand my knowledge of all things Polish, I have only recently returned online and the same constant banter of race this and race that is stillever present, not really conducive to anything. So it would be kinda cool if threads were to remain untanted by such chitter chatter)