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daffy
  Apr 13, 07, 17:58  #481

Quoting: Puzzler
Frank, how did you calculate it that the 'outcomes' (of Poland's joining Napoleon) were '10/20/30 times worse than ... for the irish'


the casualties for starters?

Quoting: Puzzler
in the hindsight it all went wrong'


well napoleon lost, and the role that the french and its allies played was not forgotten, hence, in hindsight, it all went wrong (wouldnt you agree? - it went wrong for the irish who fought too! though there were more polish in napoleons army than irish (hence 10/20/30 times worse statement again)

Quoting: Puzzler
Do you mean that we had a better choice than joining Napoleon, but we didn't make the choice?


moot point. i think he was just saying, it backfired. it may have seemed the right move, but unfortunatly it ended up becoming a very costly choice. a better choice is unknown and it is not what is being suggested.

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Puzzler
  Apr 13, 07, 17:59  #482

Poland had a few foreign kings. Why would you say we had them because we became disenchanted with our own kings? Were the English disenchanted with English kings when royals of German extraction ruled England?

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Puzzler
  Apr 13, 07, 18:00  #483

Daffy, thanks, but would you let Frank speak when I ask him questions?

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daffy
  Apr 13, 07, 18:01  #484

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when royals of German extraction ruled England?



still do and all the house of windsor is of german not english origin

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daffy
  Apr 13, 07, 18:01  #485

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thanks, but would you let Frank speak when I ask him questions


moze. Ale jestam 'big brother'

(nie, nie, nie - ok)

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Frank
  Apr 13, 07, 18:03  #486

You were a far bigger country.....more damage was done, more to loose....all Ireland had was bogs , pigs and potatoes....no other natural resources etc.

Hindsight.....Napoleon, lost......you were in league with him...Russia..didnt forget.....

Not sure what other choices were available at the time...

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Frank
  Apr 13, 07, 18:04  #487

Quoting: Puzzler
let Frank speak when I ask him questions?


Is this an exam P...lol...

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Puzzler
  Apr 13, 07, 18:05  #488

Hm, so by the '10/20/30' times worse consequences for Poland is meant the allegedly higher number of Polish casualties? I'm not sure if more Poles or Irish perished throughout our both countries' tragic history. As you have suggested yourselves, you had 800 years of oppression, and we Poles 'just' some 200 years in total.

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Frank
  Apr 13, 07, 18:05  #489

Can I wish you both a pleasant weekend...speak tomorrow....

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Puzzler
  Apr 13, 07, 18:07  #490

OK, speak both at the same time, I don't care. Why would you consider our exchange an 'exam,' Frank? Aren't we just discussing, and civilly at that, just as the best in Europe advised to do?

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daffy
  Apr 13, 07, 18:08  #491

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Can I wish you both a pleasant weekend...speak tomorrow....


you can but expect me to wish you the very same!!! (the audacity!!!)

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Puzzler
  Apr 13, 07, 18:09  #492

Have a nice weekend, Frank. See you tomorrow.

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TheDude
Edited by: TheDude  Apr 13, 07, 18:09  #493

TheDude is happy to finally see everyone getting along

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daffy
  Apr 13, 07, 18:09  #494

Quoting: Puzzler
you had 800 years of oppression, and we Poles 'just' some 200 years in total.


yes but we have a far SMALLER population. look at today for example poland just short of 40million, Ireland just short of 5million!

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daffy
Edited by: daffy  Apr 13, 07, 18:10  #495

Quoting: Puzzler
civilly at that


yes, happily so puzzler! its great to talk it out

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just as the best in Europe advised to do?


witam

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Puzzler
  Apr 13, 07, 18:14  #496

Well, we can also look at the percentage of casualties throughout history. wouldn't the Irish one be higher? I'm not sure.

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Puzzler
  Apr 13, 07, 18:16  #497

Daffy, I meant Plato, Socrates. But yes, Daffy (and Puzzler) are like them when we behave as they taught us to do.

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daffy
  Apr 13, 07, 18:19  #498

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Well, we can also look at the percentage of casualties throughout history. wouldn't the Irish one be higher? I'm not sure.



im not able to say as i dont know but i ireland was occupied by one country, with unrest, whereas poland was trampled on by both sides at many stages, and did alot of fighting too, on scales ireland could never have acheived. This is not a critisism at all by the way. merely an observation of the size of the nations and the fact that poland saw far greater and bigger conflict than ireland i would think. yes ireland suffered under occupation but the causualties id imagine were greater on your side? dont you think?

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daffy
  Apr 13, 07, 18:21  #499

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Daffy, I meant Plato, Socrates. But yes, Daffy (and Puzzler) are like them when we behave as they taught us to do.


i know you meant 'the best in europe', i took it to mean all people of europe who advocated fairness, justice, logic, tolerance etc. which your right of course to include such notabless as socrates and plato (whos influences are at the core of European Union im happy to report )

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Puzzler
  Apr 13, 07, 18:27  #500

I'm not sure, Daffy, re the number of casualties. What the percentage would be for Poland and Ireland? Besides, so many of you have immigrated, far more than us. How about the potato famine? How many perished?

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Puzzler
  Apr 13, 07, 18:33  #501

I've just read Frank's best wishes for the new EU members, including Poland. Sorry, I didn't notice the post before. Thanks , Frankie. You Irish - real Irish, from Ireland - are sweet people, we Poles know that. I've heard about a Polish rock love song titled 'I love You Like Ireland.'

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daffy
  Apr 13, 07, 18:35  #502

Quoting: Puzzler
What the percentage would be for Poland and Ireland?


maybe worth looking up, but im contented enough that it was higher than it needed to be for either side and its not a competition who has the bigger...ahem

Quoting: Puzzler
Besides, so many of you have immigrated,


this has no bearing on casulaties, in fact, this would help keep our casualites low as they left for the hope of freedom and better life.

Quoting: Puzzler
far more than us


we had 800 years of practise in fairness and it only took one decade for that to change BIG time (celtic tigar - thanks to EU)

Quoting: Puzzler
How about the potato famine? How many perished?


that not casualty of war - the famine was a natural agricultural disaster. Though again, it was part of the reasons irish emigrated and why the english were hated as they used it to convert catholics to protestants for soup!! and didnt help the irish english relations in those times.

However, bottom line is, Ireland and England are friends now. and it is a matter of time, for time heals all wounds as is evidence by Ireland and Englands nearly MILLENIUM worth of hatred to reconcile, that germans, polish & russians will find common ground. As the great Europeans taught also and as christ did. and for our futures. let us hope and work towards this. (i know its not easy - but the things in life that are truly worth the effort are usually hard)

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Puzzler
  Apr 13, 07, 18:38  #503

Daffy, re the reconcilliation and common ground, I hope for it too. Otherwise, Europe is gone. We should never-ever allow it to happen.

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Puzzler
  Apr 13, 07, 18:40  #504

I gotta go now, unfortunately. Good night, and see you tomorrow some time. Best.

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daffy
  Apr 13, 07, 18:41  #505

Quoting: Puzzler
I gotta go now, unfortunately. Good night, and see you tomorrow some time. Best.


all the best!!

Quoting: Puzzler
re the reconcilliation and common ground, I hope for it too. Otherwise, Europe is gone. We should never-ever allow it to happen.


great to hear you feel this too!
there is hope for europe

Dobranoc!!

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Ania123 [Guest]
  Apr 14, 07, 02:48  #506

Oh My God Ola123, I can't believe you even wrote that!!! I think that is your point of view only, and you are giving Polish people a very bad reputation by writing nasty things like that! If there is a property for sale and I have the money to buy it then I will!!! I have never come across any Polish person telling me something like you have said!
Wake up to yourself! English people bring a lot of money into Poland, set up business and give Polish people jobs! You should be grateful people want to invest in Poland not angry.

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daffy
  Apr 14, 07, 05:13  #507

Quoting: Ania123
grateful people want to invest in Poland not angry.


yea, poland is turning into one of the most successful accession states in the EU!! it will be a stronger economey sooner than any of the last entries

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Grzegorz_
  Apr 14, 07, 06:13  #508

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English people bring a lot of money into Poland, set up business and give Polish people jobs!


A guy, who buy a flat just to sell It for more in a year is not giving jobs to anyone.

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daffy
Edited by: daffy  Apr 14, 07, 06:14  #509

Quoting: Grzegorz_
A guy, who buy a flat just to sell It for more in a year is not giving jobs to anyone.


there are polish people doing this. in Wroclaw my friends fiance works in real estate and is doing this everyday. its not as many foreigners as you'd think.

there are many people doing this.

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Frank
  Apr 14, 07, 06:17  #510

Daffy.....can you contact me by e-mail..its in my profile....gotta go out now, get back to you later.....thanks.!

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