Foreigners: Please don't buy the Polish Land!

i hate posts - you cant here sincerity over sarcasm

buts its BW so its gotta be sincere

not always - but this time definately

this thread is full of hostility because of Ola, who is probably enjoyng this and all the attention she can get. I haven't seen you posting in other threads and haven't seen any constructive opinions about Poland from you yet. Is it because you don't have any?

you cannot be serious!! how much money has the EU just given to Poland in the last two years???

unfair???

im sure she does have them, they involve pole on pole crime to remove poles that leave and return to buy land

and not to forget revolution

oh wait, you said construtive....my bad

Bla Bla Bla...

We get some things, but lose others... I wouldn't say that we are treated unfair, but membership in EU for Poland is not such paradise as some seem to believe.

With arguement like that i see you'll go far. All you've done is shown you cannot refute the fact that the EU has been good for poland (can you say poland is better outside the EU?)



Lose what? Who's talking about paradise? im talking about the EU making poland better economically one grant at a time (like it did for Ireland and Portugal etc - we are not paradises, but we are MUCH better off then being outside the EU

Strength in Numbers -together we stand, divided we fall. Poland is the same. Your better off in the EU than on your own.

I can not understand the Polish mentality. Capitalism is the very thing that Poland wanted. They want to be in the EU and why? Because as an agricultural country they will be getting the subsidies. Obviously Germany and France dominate the EU as the major players but that was what was expected. In England we have a Russian who has bought Chelsea Football Club and has 11 billion pounds to spare. Why should a Russian who lived in communism now have 11 million pounds when he just bought shares very cheaply-after all, he did not work with his hands for that money. This is capitalism and Poland wanted it. The alternative is Soviet communism so decide.

Incoms from tariffs, right to own trade policy (Russians banned export of Polish meat and we can't ban anything from Russia without permission from Brussel and they don't give a damn) protection of own market, which is best seen on the real estate market even thought there are still some limits, a part of soverginity in general - for example some Greek guy tells us in which place on our own land we can build roads, we had to accept thousands of usually stupid rules, for example about the size of potatoes and I'm sure that one could find many other negative aspects.



Ireland and Portugal. Very good examples. Portugal is a poor country despite many years in EU. That's because vast majority of things in economy depend on the national government's and first of all on people, who are working in these countries. Membership in EU for poor countries has more posive than negative aspects, but It creates opportunities, not make anything better by itself.

your a lost cause. a perpetual cynic.

you couldnt find a drop of water in the ocean or grain of sand in the desert!

i'm sorry G, we disagree.

LOL ! Daf you are a "EURO nationalist" and simply don't want to see facts.

G i could say you dont want to see facts either!

so its a circular arguement bbbuuuuuudddddddy

spot on G - thats the whole point

Some Poles, like me, had no choice but to be born in the UK after my parents came to the UK in 1948. They had no home to return to in Poland because they came from eastern Poland which became Ukraine. People of my generation want to live in Poland and idiots like Ola will not stop us.

You are Welcome.

I see that the attention of forum members shifted from Polish immigrants in the UK to foreign speculators in Poland. Nice.

Ola, your posts remind me of a certain participant of this forum... Actually, where is Freddy?

Not quite. Poles wanted their dignity back. They wanted to free themselves from Soviet influence. They didn't expect that the result of their actions would be the fall of communism.

and replace it with??? (dignity is not a form of government)


Poland Democratically elected to join the EU? Did they not know what they wanted or something? Poland is benefitting more from being IN the EU than it ever could being apart of a smaller slavic union(which wouldnt happen as other 'slavic' countries are EU members too) (sorry crow)

Being IN the EU gives poland that ability to gain its dignity. Once Poland's infrastructure is in Place, Poland will be amoungst the biggest contributors of this Union. (Ireland is a VERY small nation, yet we have HUGE influence despite our size. If we NEVER joined the Union, we would not be a blip on the radar and Would not have what we have today without EU help. It gave reland its dignity and much, much more.

probably he meant Independence

"A socialism with a human face", as some veteran of the events of 1989 described it. The referendum of which to join or not EU was carried out over a decade later, so let us not mix these two events.

PS: daffy, I'm not saying that the decision of accessing EU was a wrong one. I was just simply trying to explain that in 1989 nobody actually believed that communism would fall. Nobody was thinking about capitalism, but rather about improving their lives. Basically people weren't even prepared for the things that were to come...

That and no rationing of food, no secret police, stores where you actually can by something, etc... You know, a decent life. Godne życie...

ah, so we agree cool! read your posts. we're on the same wavelength

daffy, I never pretended it was different. Don't take my comments about the 1989 "revolution" as an anti-EU statement. I just wanted to confront the myth that Lech Wałęsa and Co fought for capitalism and free market, that’s all. I voted for joining EU and I haven’t changed my mind.

i havent! i believe you to be PRO EU - which is why i said we agree

Briliant then.

mmm... I am not anti... but if any other organisation will be more benefitial to Poland, I would vote in favour of that too!

i think that's the same for all people's in fairness. Why would you stay on the titantic if you could use a lifeboat???

the point remains the EU is the best institution to date (i would argree history to date in fact!)

nothing better has existed yet! but the EU has been a big step in the right direction wouldnt you agree?

sure it has flaws - but less flaws than any previous system to date!!! we go on about the rich getting richer like this was a new phenonemon! its been throughout history! BUT the difference today is, we are now free to make our own riches if we can (a thing we did not even have ANY chance of doing not so long ago! (ireland 1900's, poland? slavery etc.)

change for the better, step by step

yea ... Agree

I hope we have a more strong UN too ... would be nice if we can add nations regardless of continental borders too ...

but EU a good example.

Not sure if I am reading this correctly, but do the Polish in this forum feel that they are the only ones to suffer the strangle hold of the EU? I just wanted to throw in that the British have also had there up's and down's with the EU. Farming allowances and all that sort of stuff have had to be fought for, and not always won!

The following is just a personnal comment and not one of the general view of Britain... If the EU has still further to go with its policies towards all countries, a strong taint of the communist era will be felt in years to come. No independance is allowed. Everything is to become a general homogonised society.

The benefits are obvious, free border control, tax free movements... but with highly dubious 'allowances' (seperate rant needed for that one!), and most importantly for alot of people, the ability to move their entire family to a new country, with (almost) no effort. There are more, but these are the most important to the people that I know.

Well, you didn't provide any, so I can't see them

And you didn't even comment mine from #192.