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Translation Please: cze! ty wiem ze mnie zabijesz ale pol nocy spedzilam...


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jT81Threads: 4
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Hi,

If anyone could translate, much appreciated.

"cze! ty wiem ze mnie zabijesz ale pol nocy spedzilam w klinice z infekcja nerek wiec wrzucam wlasnie perkasecik i ide spac i niestety odpadam z AC."

Thanks :-)
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jT81:
"cze! ty wiem ze mnie zabijesz ale pol nocy spedzilam w klinice z infekcja nerek wiec wrzucam wlasnie perkasecik i ide spac i niestety odpadam z AC."

hi! i know you're gonna kill me but i have spent a half of the night in the clinic with a kidneys' infection so i'm going to sleep and i'm out of the AC


i don't know what "perkasecik" is so i skipped this part...
zetigrekThreads: 59
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pgtx:
"perkasecik"


A drug? Perkaset? Sort of painkiller I guess.
mafketisThreads: 17
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jT81:
cze! ty wiem ze mnie zabijesz ale pol nocy spedzilam w klinice z infekcja nerek wiec wrzucam wlasnie perkasecik i ide spac i niestety odpadam z AC."


"hey, I know you're gonna kill me, but I spent half the night at the clinic/hospital with a kidney infection so I gonna down a percocet and go to sleep, too bad but I have drop out of AC"

what's AC?

OT for Polish readers, is "ty wiem, że mnie zabijesz" totally weird syntax or what?
If it's not just the meds and does occur (even if it's uncommon and even if it's 'incorrect') some entreprising linguist could get a paper out of it as a nice example of infixed embedding (with 'wiem, że' dropped in the middle of 'ty mnie zabijesz'.
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AC refers to Atlantic City, New Jersey.

Perkasecik may refer to a painkiller called Percocet, Percodan, etc.
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jT81:
Perkasecik may refer to a painkiller called Percocet, Percodan, etc.


ahhhh.... thx!
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mafketis:
OT for Polish readers, is "ty wiem, że mnie zabijesz" totally weird syntax or what?

Indeed, Ja wiem, but if I did some downers, I would probably write similar nonsense.
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Ty, wiem, że mnie...... etc. is very colloquial. You could say that, but someone with a decent education would never put it in writing. Mind you, you all brave students of polish: the word "ty" here has no connection to "wiem", the person who wrote it forgot to put a coma. As you know, the standalone "wiem" really implies: "ja wiem". "Ty" here serves to drive someone's attention to what one intends to say. Again, I might use it in a bar, while talking to a close friend but would not put it in writing.
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I was assuming it was a strange kind of embedding.

Start from

Wiem, że ty mnie zabijesz. (perfectly normal)

Then either move 'ty' to the front and you have a sentence 'ty mnie zabijesz' that doesn't follow the subordinating verb and conjunction 'wiem, że' but instead surrounds it.

There are languages where that kind of discontinuous or interrupted sentence is possible. I'm not sure if Polish is one of them. You can sort of do tht in English "You, I know, will kill me." but you can't do it if the subordinating conjunction is present *"You, I know that will kill me" (* means the sentence isn't possible).

Whether or not it's something an educated speaker would write formally is irrelevant to the question of whether the pattern exists in everyday colloquial usage which is the question that interests linguists.
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Not possible Mafekits. Embedding like that would be totally confusing in either spoken or written polish.

You could write perhaps: Ty, ja to wiem (emphatic), zabijesz mnie!

But it sounds almost too bookish. Would not flow well in spoken language.
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mafketis:

There are languages where that kind of discontinuous or interrupted sentence is possible. I'm not sure if Polish is one of them. You can sort of do tht in English "You, I know, will kill me." but you can't do it if the subordinating conjunction is present *"You, I know that will kill me" (* means the sentence isn't possible).

Whether or not it's something an educated speaker would write formally is irrelevant to the question of whether the pattern exists in everyday colloquial usage which is the question that interests linguists.



this sounds quite natural and instantly comprehensible sentence to me - ('ty wiem że mnie zabijesz' I mean) - it gives the sentence nice steady flow if you know what I mean ;)
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jT81:
Perkasecik may refer to a painkiller called Percocet, Percodan, etc.

It does.
Pretty potent shhit.
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gumishu:
this sounds quite natural and instantly comprehensible sentence to me - ('ty wiem że mnie zabijesz' I mean) - it gives the sentence nice steady flow if you know what I mean ;)


second that - it sounds quite natural in spoken language. Phone text messages often reflect the spoken variety of Polish very closely, thus closing the gap between the literary proper Polish and the way people really speak.

Just to try out a couple of similar constructions:
ojciec, wiem, że mnie zabije
ojciec, mówiłam, żeby tam nie szedł
ojciec, widziałam, że tego nie zrobił
ojciec, wiedziałam, że tam nie pójdzie

I put the comma after "ojciec" instinctively, so it seems it's really the case of embedded sentences.
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strzyga:
I put the comma after "ojciec" instinctively, so it seems it's really the case of embedded sentences.


Cool. If I didn't have way too much to do I would try to get an article out of it*. As it is, I'm not sure.

*part of a series of articles I'll never get around to on weird and cool, but undocumented AFAIK things that happen in Polish


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