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Polonius3Threads: 963 Posts: 4,545 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Mar 20, 10, 17:36 #1
A wholesome meal is zdrowy posiłek but what about a wholesome-looking girl? Zdrowo wyglądająca dziewczyna does not convey the sense of wholesome in that particular context? What does?

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Edited by: plk123 Mar 20, 10, 19:13 #2
it means corn fed beatch

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,189 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Edited by: jonni Mar 20, 10, 19:26 #3
Porządna dziewczyna isn't quite there either - too emphatic - but close.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 20, 10, 19:35 #4
You could just say she is zdrowa/healthy.

Polonius3Threads: 963 Posts: 4,545 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Mar 22, 10, 14:53 #5
Zdrowa could mean she passed a medical with flying colours (no herpes, uterine infection, etc.), but doesn't wholesome have a broader context branching out into the cultural, psychological and even ethical spheres?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 22, 10, 15:00 #6
I've noticed that Polish often doesn't have one word to describe a nuance though, in fairness, it works both ways. Poles tend to describe more. For example, draughty. They have przeciąg for draught but no real adjective for draughty.

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Edited by: Ziemowit Mar 22, 10, 15:35 #7

I don't know the exact meaning of the 'wholesome-looking girl' (and haven't got my "Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English" pod ręką), but I suspect that a perfect Polish equivalent of the term would be "czerstwa". This term is mainly used when refering to healthy-looking older people or to 'out-of-date' bread, but using it in reference to a dziewczyna (especially a country girl) is OK. To younger people it may seem old-fashioned, however.

Polonius3Threads: 963 Posts: 4,545 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Mar 22, 10, 15:46 #8
Ever hear a Pole use the word cug for draught?

aphrodisiacThreads: 19 Posts: 3,906 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Mar 22, 10, 15:49 #9
Polonius3: Ever hear a Pole use the word cug for draught? yes

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Mar 23, 10, 12:42 #10

Ziemowit:

I don't know the exact meaning of the 'wholesome-looking girl' (and haven't got my "Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English" pod ręką), but I suspect that a perfect Polish equivalent of the term would be "czerstwa". This term is mainly used when refering to healthy-looking older people or to 'out-of-date' bread, but using it in reference to a dziewczyna (especially a country girl) is OK. To younger people it may seem old-fashioned, however.

If somebody called me "czerstwa dziewczyna" I'd feel like slapping them in the face. For me the slang use of "czerstwa/czerstwy" is to denote sth boring and generally not cool :)

As to wholesome-looking girl - I guess that "zdrowo wyglądająca dziewczyna" would actually sound fine. "Ona zdrowo wygląda" sounds perfectly natural, although maybe somewhat jocular, to describe a good-looking girl.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Mar 23, 10, 23:36 #11
Seanus: draughty. you do mean drafty, no? draughty means dry.. not "windy"

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 23, 10, 23:40 #12
Hey there amigo :) Nah, draughty in British English means when the wind whistles through your flat to the other side if a window is open.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,410 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Mar 24, 10, 00:28 #13
interesting.... thanks

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Mar 24, 10, 09:38 #14

learn polish:

If somebody called me "czerstwa dziewczyna" I'd feel like slapping them in the face. For me the slang use of "czerstwa/czerstwy" is to denote sth boring and generally not cool :)

As I said, to young people the word "czerstwy" in this context may seem old-fashioned. You say that it has yet another meaning in the slang use. That's it, every language evolves!

Still, the PWN online dictionary will tell you:
czerstwy
1. «o pieczywie: suchy, nieświeży»
2. «zdrowy, krzepki»

So, another term to use for a 'wholesome-looking girl' may be 'krzepka dziewczyna'?

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Mar 24, 10, 10:19 #15
It could be "dziarski" and "dziarska dziewczyna"

MagdalenaThreads: 5 Posts: 1,365 Joined: Aug 15, 07 ♀	Mar 24, 10, 14:54 #16
All of you forget the one word that is perfect for the job ;-) Hoża - as in "hoże dziewczę, hoża dziewoja" :-)

ZiemowitThreads: 10 Posts: 1,056 Joined: May 8, 09 ♂	Mar 24, 10, 15:11 #17
Oui, c'est peut-être ça! hoży «urodziwy, tryskający zdrowiem»

learn polishThreads: 2 Posts: 71 Joined: Oct 15, 09 ♀	Mar 25, 10, 09:47 #18
Ziemowit: So, another term to use for a 'wholesome-looking girl' may be 'krzepka dziewczyna'? It does sound old-fashioned, but at least it doesn't bring about the misunderstanding that "czerstwa" could cause in all likelihood :)

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09 ♂	Mar 25, 10, 10:27 #19
"krzepki" is usually associated with "staruszek"/"staruszka" but I dunno if you can say wholses elder / oldman / old woman in english..

Polonius3Threads: 963 Posts: 4,545 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Mar 25, 10, 14:02 #20
A girl called krezpka sounds like some two-fisted feminist who changes tyres at the Greyhound Bus station!

aphrodisiacThreads: 19 Posts: 3,906 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Mar 25, 10, 14:17 #21
Polonius3: like some two-fisted feminist who changes tyres at the Greyhound Bus station! yah, like that would happen;). Feminist sit in cafes and discuss problems, guys change tires;)

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Mar 25, 10, 21:35 #22

I must concede that the femi-fascists spend most of theirr time devising male-bashing schemes and slogans under the guise of 'equality'. And that is better done at a café or lounge. If they were really for equaltiy they would make sure abortions could be performed as per local law only with the writtten consent of the father and also would demand parity in the dustmen's profession, not just in parliament and executive posts.

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Mar 25, 10, 21:44 #23

Polonius3:

And remember the demand to be included in compulsory military service... and getting rid of evil segregated sporting events (olympics and the world cup come to mind...)

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Mar 25, 10, 21:52 #24

Polonius3:

I knew you would bite, go and fight for your rights. I was not aware that there is parity in US government.

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