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How would you pronounce in english, "kobietą"/ "piękna"/ "moga konchana&quo


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How would you pronounce in english, "kobietą"/ "piękna"/ "moga konchana" ? Any help would be much apprieciated so thanks in advance
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Darrell j:
kobietą"/ "piękna"/ "moga konchana"


kobieta = cob ee et a

piękna = pee enk na

moja kochana = moya cock han a

Remember the Polish ch is like the ch in the Scots word loch. So cock isn't quite right.

(I was going to say that cock is too hard, but thought better of it.)
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Moga kochana !! I was trying to say "my sweetheart" haha think i better double check everything i write from now on
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JonnyM:
cock han a


Co (as in cock) hannah

co-hannah
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Wroclaw:
co-hannah

I thought of that, but decided that the first h in hannah was too soft. There's no good way of explaining the Polish sound without mentioning the Scots word loch.
Zman  Mar 16, 11, 17:22    #6
both sounds "ch" and "h", in contemporary polish sound alike. No need to differentiate really.
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Zman:
s "ch" and "h"

We know that. However there is no easy cognate in English English - which is why most English language guides to Polish give the ch sound in loch as the best comparison. And sometimes compare the Polish y to the y in Yorkshire dialect.
Zman  Mar 16, 11, 17:47    #8
I agree with the "loch" comparison entirely. Just thought that the notion of "soft h" might be confusing. Otherwise you're right.

By the way, in the past the letter "h" was pronounced as a sounded one. Such pronunciation is common in ukrainian nowadays.
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Zman:
Just thought that the notion of "soft h" might be confusing.

I agree. I've noticed some native Poles mixing them when writing. Also ź and rz, u and ó. For some reason I never fell into that trap, perhaps because I'm a native speaker of a language with very irregular spelling and therefore it comes naturally.
Zman:
By the way, in the past the letter "h" was pronounced as a sounded one. Such pronunciation is common in ukrainian nowadays.

The way some very posh elderly people speak Polish is beautiful.


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