friends needed for an English woman in Milanowek Poland

To Przystojniak - you don't buy excuses - I do hope no one in your own life ever judges you so harshly. Thank goodness most of us do not get exactly what we deserve and sadly a lot of us get what we do not deserve. I genuinely wish you a lot of peace and compassion in your own life and hope you never have the misfortune to find yourself in a situation you cannot control.

Kathryn

I am not judgeing anyone but I think your friend has acted stupidly. If there is domestic violence in the home children are the first to suffer.

It doesn't matter now what she has or has not done, it's too late for that.

I think I offered you some useful advice before that is to contact a bilingual (good) lawyer with a proven track record in this kind of family dispute. If she has custody hopefully this will be a formality. I would urge all involved in this to do what is best for the children, regardless of personal preference. If the father is indeed violent then I hope that the mother is able to recover the children to safety. Unfortunately I do have experience of domestic violence in my life, maybe that is why I sounded harsh to you, but it is what I honestly think.

Check the law to see what will happen, if she takes the children back to the UK.

If Giles is as good as his word. Snatch the kids and get on a flight home.

It will be cheaper and quicker. But only if the UK doesn't send them back.

And yes, I am serious. You don't have time for ''what if''. They are playing dirty, you play dirtier.

Let me just clarify something i ain't snatching anyone anywhere, anyhow. However, there are people that do, you have to use people who know what the hell they are doing. If you look up on google on the subject you will find companies and groups that specialize in these issues. People have to be aware of the local laws and international laws. If these things go wrong, people can end up in court, prison and people can also get hurt. Again it is not something to be entered into lightly and without exhausting every other avenue.

Removing the children is not particularly difficult, however, enraged, crazed ex's hunting down ex-partner and children is a major concern. People, often have to change identities, sometimes, emigrate. That is what makes it an expensive exercise. The intial removal and safe return, given the children attend school, etc. i.e aren't being held under lock and key; thats the simple part. Debriefing confused youngsters, whilst trying to re-organize your existence, is not easy and requires time and assistance.

I meant follow Giles' advice.

Sorry Giles. And I meant within the law.

Hello, 'Kathryn.' Having read your posts, I can't help having serious doubts about the whole matter. Is there really a hapless Englishwoman stuck in Milanowek, Poland, with an abusive and alcoholic Polish husband who denies her access to their children? Or are you just a cyberspace 'troll' calling itself 'Kathryn,' who has devised the whole inflammatory sob-story in order to tease and slight the Poles, and to give psychopathic liars from the Daily Mail another pretext for rambling hatefully about the Poles and setting the English public against them? The imagery and expressions that you use, 'Kathryn' (a Pole-bully and drunkard, 'They came for the blacks [sic]... They came for the Jews...,' etc.) bring to mind the vicious American - especially Jewish American - stereotypes of the Poles. So how can you prove that what you scribble is real, 'Kathryn'? PS. Isn't your real name 'Alan'?

I really had to laugh when I read the posting from Puzzler. No my real name is Kathryn , I live in England (I am English) , I know some wonderful Polish people in England whom I regard very highly.

Sadly there are people all over the world not just in England and Poland but everywhere who do not know how to treat other people. And then again there are extraordinary kindnesses done by complete strangers - something I am pleased to say which has already happened in this case.

You see Puzzler (now that isn't a "real name" is it) I am willing to stand up and be counted!

Kathryn

Well, 'Kathryn,' if the sob-story of yours is real, why don't you give the first name and surname of the supposed unhappy Englishwoman from Milanowek? After all, you're ready to go to the newspapers with the story of her alleged misfortunes, aren't you? Your name on this forum isn't any more 'real' than mine, unless you give proof that your name is Kathryn, you live in England, etc. So ready to give the alleged poor Englishwoman's name and surname? PS. Would you subscribe to the following 'sayings' just as well, 'Kath'? -

They came for the Palestinians and murdered them cold-bloodedly, and I did nothing.

They came for the Polish patriots during Stalin's rule and tortured and murdered them, and I did nothing.

I am sure even you would agree Puzzler that it would be grossly unfair to name someone in a public forum when there are innocent children involved. They did not ask to be involved and it would not be right in any way to implicate them. If anyone wanted to contact me privately (I see you do not reveal your email address!) I would be more than happy to discuss the details.

I see that my verse seems to fascinate you "They came for..." which is meant to be taken in a metaphorical sense. You could easily substitute the words "They came for the Palestinians" because in a sense it could be anyone in that place. The whole point of the verse is that we are all human beings sharing the planet and we must all find a way to get on together. No one group should ever persecute another and if that happens we should make a stand against it.

I love Polish people. I find them funny warm clever hard working and family orientated. They are also very courageous which is why I hope in this case that someone somewhere will help Maria.

By the way - you are very keen to assume what other people are like. I bet you are a bored adolescent who should be revising but likes stirring things up on websites for fun!

Happy stirring Puzzler!

Kathryn

OK, so you do not want to name them on a public forum but happy to go to the press??

A puzzled Przystojniak and no - we are not the same person!

The woman should seek legal advice, but not in this forum.

all poles are woman beaters.why did she go with a pole in the first place???still in england male poles just get beaten up by 17 year old girls like they did in basingstoke lol

a) I don't think you know many Polish men and b) I think you're a troll.

england... the only thing Poles like about it is the job opportunity. Nothing else at all. If any of you have common sense, and enough heart to accept the truth...then you'll know that this is just fact.

I have found Polish people being more interested in France (for the west). In east they like middle east and india. In south they like spanish... in north they dont have much particular interest.

UK/England... they go... but its for the cash.

agree with you ,for sure is not for the wheather or the girls

Well, 'Kath,' so you can't give the name of the alleged victimized Englishwoman? Even though you suggested you might go to the newspapers with her boo-hoo-story? Doesn't it mean you made up her and her sob-story? Aren't you a liar, sneaking to this board to post inflammatory and hate-mongering messages? And didn't you scribble the bullshoot about 'the blacks'[sic] and 'the Jews' in one of your previous postings to allude to a hateful Jewish-Zionist cliche? According to the cliche, during WWII many Poles were just 'by-standers' indifferent to the lot of the Jews (whereas the Jews were just poor innocent victims who always helped the Poles, of course). Did you associate your imagined 'Englishwoman' with 'the blacks' and 'the Jews' to make the reader think: 'The Polish racists mistreat the English just as they mistreated the Jews'? Aren't you a cheap Zionazi plugger? 'Kath,' you didn't say 'yes' to my question if you would subscribe to the following 'sayings:'They came for the Palestinians and murdered them cold-bloodedly, and I did nothing. They came for the Polish patriots during Stalin's rule and tortured and murdered them, and I did nothing.' Of course, 'they' in these sentences signify Jewish murderers of Palestinian children today and Polish patriots during Stalin's era (1945-1953). Do you condemn these Jewish murderers, 'Kath'? Yes or no? PS. You are really Jewish, aren't you? You only pretend being English, right? Your style of scribbling gives you away, 'Kath.' It's seems to be fake; you seem to have an idea in your conk of how the English allegedly speak and write and you try to sound so. But the English seem to speak and write completely differently than you do, 'Kath.' Oh boy, aren't some of the Zionazis really dumb?

is there something wrong with been jewish ??????? hope not becouse I am one

Look, if you must know, Kathryn was looking for someone to help a friend of a friend.
She had no hidden agenda.
There is a lot she hasn't said on this forum.
The quote some weirdos with a problem have zoomed in on and made a big thing about wasn't about Jews at all - it was about neighbours and friends ignoring victims of domestic violence.
Define neighbour any way you will.
Drop the subject please; alternatively, talk about the massive numbers of women in Poland (and elsewhere) who find it impossible to break out of a situation most right-minded people would find abhorrent.
I didn't know Kathryn before reading this thread, she had to brave the loonies on the internet in her search for someone nearby.
Now, lighten up

LoneStranger, of the British people, I know practically only the English, and I must sa that they are the gentlest, the most most good-hearted, the most honest people I've ever met. I doubt it if there are better people in the world than them. Jan Karski called them 'the greatest people in the world,' and I totally subscribe to this statement. They are also the least prejudiced people in Europe towards us Polish folks. It is amazing that they have managed to be so, given the fact that the media in England (mind that I don't call them 'English media') have been carrying out hate propaganda against the Poles and Poland for ages. The Polonophobic troll on this board ('Eddien,' 'what use is a' - sic!), if he is English at all, is a sad, but natural exception to the principle that the English are friendly towards the Poles. I don't think he should be banned from this board; let him speak and let's talk to him and try to explain him why he's wrong in blaming the Poles for the immigration problems in England. He's just the unwitting product of the hate propaganda trpeople on earth. In spite of They are the least prejudiced this here troll is just an inglorious exception including are really

Puzzler, maybe you only know of instances where the English have been friendly towards Poles, but I have heard of and witnesses first-hand many instances where they have been rude and abusive.

As for domestic violencem I am sorry to say it is a big problem in the UK too.

Oh my, I have posted the above text unedited by inadvertently pressing the 'Post Message' button - sorry, folks. Here's the final draft of it.

Re: LoneStranger posting. Of the British people, I know practically only the English, and I must say that they are the gentlest, the most most good-hearted, the most honest people I've ever met. I doubt it if there have ever been better people than them. Jan Karski called them 'the greatest people in the world,' and I totally subscribe to this statement. They are also the least prejudiced people in Europe towards us, Polish folks. It is amazing that they have managed to remain so, given the fact that the media in England (mind that I don't call them 'English media') have been carrying out hate propaganda against the Poles and Poland since time immemorial. We should never equate the English people with the media hacks in England. The hateful Polonophobic troll on this board ('Eddien,' 'what use is a' - sic!), if he is English at all, is a sad, but natural exception to the principle that the English are friendly towards the Poles. Hence we should not assume all the English, or British, are like himself. I don't think he should be banned from this board; he should be allowed to speak here freely. And we Poles should speak to him and try to explain to him why he's wrong in blaming the Poles for the immigration problems in England. He's just an unwitting product of the hate propaganda carried out by the psychopaths from the Daily Mail and similar fascist rags. We Polish folks should express our deepest gratitude to the English for saving many of our Polish brothers and sisters from the life of extreme poverty and hopelessness. A friend in need is a friend indeed. The British (and also the Swedes) have given proof of real friendship towards the Poles. Our deepest thanks to them for this! A heartfelt God bless you!

Przystojniak, yes, there have been instances you mention, but on the whole the English are exceptionally friendly and fair towards the Poles. Just compare how the Poles have been treated in Italy (Polish gastarbeiters murdered with impunity), in Germany (discrimination for speaking Polish), or in the US, notably Canada (open racism in public institutions). I can say only good things about the English. God save them! And God make some of them open their eyes and see that it is not the Poles who are the immigration problem in England; God make them see that the Polish gastarbeiters are in a sense the salvation of Britain.

Kathryn, sounds like you need to seek help of the international court in Hague. You have one year to file before the statue of limitations expires. You will get an interpreter so no worries about the language. You will need a good lawyer. It is an international case and that is your best bet. I will do some search for you on the subject and post more later. Moreover, there is help for battered women in Poland and not all that lawlesness. If the local police is not enforcing the laws and you can't see your children call the main office (Komenda Glowna) in Warsaw. That may work. Go to your local police precint and take your court papers that you have custody of the children, file a complaint. In the meantime move on the case in Hague.

Varsovian, can you prove that 'Kathryn' is really who she says she is and that her alleged Milanowek Englishwoman is real too? If you can't give the proof, should you be justly called a loonie? And why do you order people to drop a given subject? Do you want to order folks what they should scribble? Some censoring commie? PS. It is 'Kath' who , totally off the wall, brought in the subject of 'blacks' and Jews in conection with the imagined English lady of Milanowek. What 'blacks' and Jews - what so-called holocaust - does have in common with an English lady in Poland, even if she really existed? Can you answer this question, butthead?

Zionnie, and what do you think - is there anything wrong with being Jewish, or not? PS. Yet there appears to be something really wrong with'Kath' and others who pretend not to be who they are.

i take it that you are refering to these words -

They came for the blacks and I said nothing
They came for the Jews and I said nothing
They came for the Chrsitians and I said nothing so when they came for me there was no one left to speak up for me



this is a variation of a poem attributed to Martin Niemöller as a comment on the apparent inability of german intelectuals to speak out against the rise of the nazis... or something along those lines... the sentiment of the verse should be self-explanitory...

there have been many variations of this poem since it was first penned... the original goes something along the lines of this...

When the Nazis came for the communists
I remained silent
I was not a communist

When they locked up the social democrats
I remained silent
I was not a social democrat

When they came for the trade unionists
I did not speak out
I was not a trade unionist

When they came for me
there was no one left to speak out

The ironic thing Martin Niemöller was that he actually supported Hitler (until he came to power) and the Nazi's actually looked upon Niemöller as a role model for his services in WW1.

Dont agree with you, as far many Poles I've met (who have spent time in England) have said that they dont really want to be there, if not for the better jobs. This does not mean that the English are bad...it only might mean that we share least in common.

However, I dont mind you liking England. Actually I myself have nothing against them. And yes, God bless them and give them prosperity and better understanding. However, I prefer Poland over all else (naturally), and if any other country I like most in Europe, that would be France (most popular among Polish) and yes...Sweden!

I dunno if I should say it... ... for all those competition among nations towards the Polish Woman ... but I have always noticed the Polish Woman more interested towards middle eastern and surrounding area people for some odd reason! I mean...if there is an option spread towards 10 Polish women, 8 will choose from east. Maybe due to exoticness or eastern religious appeal... And its an honest opinion - even rechecked by my friends!

I find the Polish Woman's 1st choice for marriage being Polish men (mostly)... or men directly from the east! (not a european from eastern origin).

But then... Love knows no bounds....be it England or Afghanistan.

Good luck people