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Hmmmm, dont fight it Mr G, it must be difficult for you in Poland and living in the closet but times are a changing...

Who says you can't? I'm an American and I can care less what anyone thinks about my government or their policies.

What ?

damn...i think she's calling you gay.

Which means the drug addicts and alcoholics and mentally ill people can raise kids as well.

Pueberty is a tough and confusing time for all kids, and perhaps it can be harder for kids with gay parents. But, there's also the kid who's dad gets drunk and beats up mom everynight or the mom who's having an affair with the gardener....etc, etc. I think those kids are much less likely to have their parents sit down and explain to them how and why their family is different than most. Gay families are almost obligated to discuss intimate relationships, in a way heterosexual families generally aren't... and often don't.

Is that a bad thing? Actually, maybe it's not. How messed up are most young people about sex these days? It's become almost taboo for parents to talk about inimate relationships and sex with their kids. Kids are left to "figure it out" on their own. If they are told anything usually it's of ideals their parents may not even live up to, let alone people their own age. Many people get so concerned with what others might think that they neglect honesty with the ones they love, even themselves.

These days families are so different and face so many challenges just to stay together, that I don't believe the privledge to turn away potentially caring, loving parents exists any more. The traditional family is quickly becoming a myth in this days world and it's not going to change back, something new must be born an nurtured. I don't think we can afford to be so picky, as to blindly refuse gay families from raising children. Personally, I'm more concerned with pedophiles, rapists, murderers, exploiters, etc. being able to raise families than I ever could be about homosexual, interracial, handicapped, or underprivleged couples having children. It seems much more productive to be honest with ourselves and work on developing new traditions and ideas of family, than to sit around and mourn and glorify the past, saying "things were better when...". Why not value a family based on how loving, harmonious, and supportive it is; rather than the characteristics of it's individual members?

Many people say, "but we have so many problems already, why add to them?"
But it's already there, homosexuality is about as likely to go away as pre-marital sex. I think that acknowleding gay families may well be a path to resolving some of these challenges facing society.

As far as kids getting teased in school goes, isn't there always something? I went to a predominately "white" school and I got ruthlessly teased for being "too white". Go figure.

/end rant :-)

Oh, and yes the original "gay guys in london" were idiots to post something like that here. But, unfortunately, idiots seem to come in all forms.

are you gay?

Sorry, I'm just perceptive and articulate.

I see that

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Everything you would expect an unmarried, childless, politically correct person to say.

Nothing perceptive about it in the least.

If only!



It depends on one's perspective.

OK. So I'm wrong. But I do find your post a little too perfect.

really agree, were talking about another subject, dont be so sore bubba

besides, why are you bringing that up on another discussion?

Need more morality in this world.
Accepting behaviour against nature will only destroy humanity not make it stronger.

Its part of life, some of these men, have more female hormones and some women
have more male. its a make up of their human nature. this is proven fact.

I saw a documentary on a female who was born with male parts as well as her
own female. she had a operation to get the male part removed, because
there was more female hormones, but its basically the same minus the extra
parts for alot of people who decide when they are young how they feel and cant
help it.

wrong or right, it is the way they are born.


as for the aids thing, its how you -omg, this is something I hate to bring up
because its also my opinion as well as something I heard and I do believe theres
truth to it.

human body has places we should not interfere with. and you boys will
prob laugh, but having intercourse in the wrong area ( part of the immune system)
is why .

so maybe thats why its so rampant with Gays, people who share needles, and
those who have so much sex their eyeballs will fall out. but later will regret that
by their actions.

so anyway, my two cents - I can here the laughing. all i can say is be safe not
sorry.

Rereading it, I can see what you mean. Thanks.

I'm just so fascinated by how different social and cultural groups integrate and relate, and there's so much changing these days. I get rather absorbed in the topic. Obviously.

You're right Patrycja. Some people are born with the wrong parts and it's not their fault. But some are not. There are all kind of people in the world with different views of life. And everyone has their own opinion as to what is morally right or wrong. This generation is growing up with divorces, single parents, gay parents and who are we to judge others as to their beliefs.
We can keep our thoughts to ourselves but cannot tell others how to behave morally.

right, I try to keep my thoughts to myself, and really do good job most of the time
because even so I feel it isnt my place, I knew someone who was gay we used to
go out and dance, he was a total gentleman, very sweet, and deserved the best.

but, it was very hard to deal with some of the issues that came up during our
outings. but I learned from it.

# 1 he would stare at the same males I was staring at, it was hard for me to
catch someones eye to talk to them, because they did notice his extreme interest.

#2 he was so plowed, he would cry on my shoulder about how he wished he
could find somone, but going out to strait bars was not the answer and I
would comfort him, but I was in the same boat, so my problems were always
put aside. "always". Least until he found someone.

# 3 I went to a bar that he went to, and I finally understood how he felt, and
the discomfort was tremendous.

# 4 it made me think way too much what I saw, but I was a strait person and labled
as soon as I got in there, and so not only did I not have anything in common
with anyone who was in there, I felt alone.

but now, he has aides, he didnt use needles, he was just lonely,and did some
really stupid crap. my only problem with it is the fact that many dont use saftey
as their number 1 rule.

I guess, that isnt my problem unless if affects me personally, but I know one thing
is definate, my children will be well educated always!! constantly.

I had a beagle once who was born female on the outside but was male on the inside. The vet said it'd best to get that thing spayed because it didn't how to act around other dogs.

Oh Amethyst, just call someone gay, and be SO proud of yourself thinking that you just came up with a deep and thoughtful comment...
Grzegorz sounds like an upstanding human being, who knows right from wrong!

Krysia, all i can say is LOL!!!

with all this, yes, we have to laugh, even at ourselfs, some subjects
should just be left alone, but take the good with the bad. we all
are allowed to form our own opinion, and nobody has to agree.

Part of life.

burk, it was a joke, you know funny ha ha, and how the hell do you know he's not in the closet, or are you in there with him, fighting your true feeling for the same sex!

You mean people actually have sex before marriage.......gasp!

the whole debate about homosexuality in Cananda is almost non-existent anymore.
We get some residues from the USA, where, depending on he state, gay marriage is allowed or not.
The truth is that those people are like anybody else and far from forcing their life style on the heterosexual part of society.
Since homosexuals are a minority, they get bashed, just like other minorities do.
As for adoption, well - it's not that easy to go through a process of adoption for a straight couple and I would imagine the same goes for homosexual couples, since there is a lot of screening beforehand.
Just to clarify: gay people are allowed to get married in Canada and adopt children

Congratulation...

Grzegorz, I changed my mind about you, or rather see what I have seen right from the beginning.
You are an intolerant, rude idiot, who most of the time doesn't know what to say.
So you say those "one word" stupid comments or one word stupid questions such as "why"?
You are a moron who think that you put peas in BIGOS.
Thank GOD you can type. But that must be difficult too for you.

Miss M he's a child, Im guessing abut 16 little life experience and probably still a virgin!

whatever, I have had it with him, he is old enough to know how to be rude, no excuses.
He offends people, so he is not a child anymore, even if he is 16.

I am guessing no life exerienc will change him, he is naturally too thick already.