Gay people? Should they be allowed to marry?

Swinio ryj, what did I just say?

You people were not the only part of western civilization. How could you notice it anyway, if you don't see even yourself outside of western civilization?

This is commonly known that our civilization was build mainly on Greek philosophy, Roman law and Christian ethic. Neither part ever considered marriage to be a relationship between two people of the same gender. Aristotle who has probably the biggest impact on western civilization consider homosexuality to be some kind of disease, Plato condemn it. So where is a place for a homo-"marriages" here, no way!



Aristotle defines homosexuality as a form of brutishness that is "the result of disease or of habit." Indeed, Aristotle argues that many cases of homosexuality are the result of childhood sexual abuse. Whatever its origin, the Philosopher cautions that mere lack of self-control does not cause homosexuality, but that the condition is due to sickness or a "morbid" psychological condition. In this sense, it seems Aristotle considers homosexuality to be a sort of addiction.

Likewise, Plato clearly condemns homosexuality in his Laws (636c). In that text, a nameless Athenian interlocutor states that "there is an ancient law concerning sexual pleasures…a law laid down even in nature…it should be understood that the pleasure is given according to nature, it seems, when the female united with the nature of males for procreation. Males coming together with males, and females with females, seems against nature; and the daring of those who first did it seems to have arisen from lack of self-restraint with regard to pleasure." While the Athenian's argument may lack the refinement of Aristotle's, his opposition to homosexuality is clear.
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Below about Roman law and homosexuality, where is a homo marriage here??

Roman Law

There had been earlier Roman legislation against homosexual acts. There was a shadowy Lex Scantinia supposedly passed in the early Republic against homosexual activity, but it seems to have had little effect. Certainly in the late Republic/early Empire the law was not applied, and social attitudes did not condemn homosexual sex (although "passive" sexual roles for men were despised). A tax was indeed levied on homosexual prostitutes. In the later Imperial period legal commentators enlarged the Lex Julia de adulteris (originally of c.17BCE) to include first offenses against boys and then, possibly, all male homosexual practices
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Finally for sure Christian ethnic did not established any gay marriages.

Below I paste a quote from original Hippocratic Oath, it clearly reject euthanasia and abortion. I need to add that first legislations allowing abortion were made by Nazi Germany (for Slavs) and USSR by well known mass murderer Lenin.


I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.
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I have already stated that I'm not interested in their private life, public matter however this is something else. I don't know what causing such behavior, none theory was really scientifically proved. Society as a whole should give a correct example of behavior to individuals (this is much wider subject), such mechanism of self-control is necessary.

As Grzegorz rightfully pointed out not many homosexuals decided for homo-"marriage" in countries which legalized such practice. Homo-parades in perverted western style gather probably more brainwashed leftists than homosexuals. So think about it, maybe this is people like yourself giving majority of homosexuals such bad name? You describe them to be half-naked perverts who parading on the middle of our streets. You refuse to to even consider that they have brain cells by such associations. Get real...



I would also be ashamed if this was a fruit from my country...

vive la difference

Guess I have to tolerate the intolerant in the world. So mote it be.

M-G

too much tolerance is unhealthy and should not be tolerated

Actually you don't....fight fire with fire. Nothing people like that hate more than when someone challenges and overcomes them. Look how seething people are over places that DO allow gay marriage for example. They just cant stand it.

They used to say that about women voting...and I am sure some of these hicks still do.

That's right: laws of over 2 milennia old have still effect today. Maybe it was due to the fact that the writers of the Bible were Greek and the first version of the Bible was in Greek (hell, even the word Bible is from Biblios, "book") that the Bible condemns homosexuality.
But to be clear: I am proud that I am from a country that is not only one of only 5 countries in the world to allow GayMarriage (I'll leave the two US-states out of scope as they are not really countries), but also the first in the world to allow it. Again we have shown the world courage and a shining example of how things should be. Like we did with so many things (not only like abortion, euthanasia, drugs and prostitution, but also other things) so many times before. Instead of condemning it, one should be admiring such a little country to dare taking brave steps like this. Amen.

M-G

Greeks of that age condemning homosexuality!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Now THAT is funny.

Good for you. You will soon be overrun by Muslims anyway.

fillos are you gay..?

He must be as much as he protests....reverse psych thing.

Filios is not gay. Filios is bi-sexual. With a slight preference for men.

M-G (hehehe)

NB: anecdote: I once actually picked up a girl in a gaybar - just there to celebrate a friend's birthday. Met this girl there and I had the best sex with her that I ever had to that day :)

Transvestites. More Bi-sexual though as was in fashion in Greece and Rome. Though I would like to underline that this poem is not the general opinion in Ancient Rome nor Greece. It's just an opinion of an individual. Only thing this proves is that Transvestites, Homosexuals and Transsexuals are not just an thing of the modern times. They have been around for ages and in fact the first KNOWN Homo-Erotic couple were Khnumhotep and Niankhkhnum in Egypt 2500 years BC.
Nero, as is the case with Caligula has been blackened by their respective successors and history gave them wrongly the name of bloodthirsty bi-sexual beasts. Caligula did seek revenge for the fact that the Senate tried to kill him several times and Nero basically did the same.

M-G

Spartans who were also supposed to be one of the toughest Warrior societies in history has homosexual relations between older mentor warriors and students.

I'd like to have seen one of these internet commandos call a Spartan a fag.

Yeah, that's what they say, but it is true? It could be a story made up by gays to make them look superior.

Actually the old testament was written in hebrew and was translated in greek by 70 men in Alexandria 200 years before Jesus because most people spoke greek at that time in mediteranean coast.
Of the evangelists Lukas,Mathaios and Ioannis wrote in Greek while the other book was written in aramaic first.Apostole Pavel wrote in greek.



Nero burned Rome and Caligula made his horse Incitatus roman citizen and then Senator.Incitatus was also made one of the 11 priests of Caligula as God.Caligula had sex with both his sisters and his mother.
Tiberius had a huge mansion near the sea where he kept dozens of young boys for his pleasure.He retired in his mansion most of the time.His beloved nephew was Caligula who killed him in mansion.

I could also be not a story by gay ppl.

M-G

This is not true.Most gays were in Athens where almost every man enjoyed the company of young men.For example Socrates had Alkiviades as student and lover.Alkiviades was the most desired person among both men and women.He was the lover of women and the beloved of men,I cannot translate it very well.

Yeah and every single thing you ever learned could be made up....great argument.

Maybe that's why the Roman Empire fell because the gays were ruling it?

Filos - where did you say you were? And studying philosophy to....mmmmmm it all becomes clear now...

Yeah Krysia thats it....my god for people who proclaim to be the smartest in Europe I am repeatedly underwhelmed.

Could be another made-up story?

That one positively is....

Some of you requested that gay marriage was part of the western civilization but failed to provide any evidence. So I showed you how it was from the start, today's Christian ethic obviously also reject such practice. Beside of that parts of original Bible was written in different languages. While Catholic church consider homosexual act to be sin, not homosexual tendencies itself.




All your messianic theory is laughable. Holland might be necessary in the same way as some people say some small amount of drunkards is needed. Why? Parents can always show them standing on the street to their kids and tell them something like this:
"Look at him, you see better listen to us otherwise you will end like this guy".
So, perhaps Holland is necessary as an anti-example for other countries.



Fashion you say...

The Old Testament is indeed written in Hebrew, with some exceptions in Arameic (Daniel). The New Testament was written about 300 years after Christ and was written solely in Greek. There are some older transcripts of Biblical Texts but they were not added in their original language, Arameic, Hebrew and even other languages, but translated before adding into Greek. This translation brought forth a few mistakes (notorious example: the Virgin Mary => The word for Young Woman in either Arameic or Hebrew, can't remember which one, is very, very similar to the word for Virgin in Greek, hence Mary turned from a Young Woman into a Virgin => immaculate conception therefore got hold, while in fact it was just a young woman getting pregnant). In short, when the New Testament came to light it was entirely written in Greek, for the reason you named: it was the language generally used in the Eastern Half of the Mediterranian.

It is assumed that Nero burned Rome. It has never been proven: accounts to this part are written afterwards by a non-sympathetic historian. Tiberius was indeed a pervert, but he not only kept young boys: also young girls had his taste and sometimes even animals. The youngest girl he impregnated was only 10 years old. Caligula was severely traumatized by his childhood experiences and this trauma grew only bigger as the attempts to take his life as he just assumed the throne grew. To the ppl of Rome he was well loved, only the Senat hated him as he got back at them. But this goes basically for Nero too. The populus loved him, but the Senat hated him and altered history afterwards to blacken the two.

M-G

NB: Lesser, unbelievable how you relish in the thought that going forward in the world and accepting the unusual as fact of life is bad and perverted. You are starting to get more of a joke with each post. When, for heaven's sake will you accept the fact that your way of thinking is not from these times and is totally outdated. Who listens to what the church has to say nowadays? The Church, filled with paedophiles abusing little altar boys and still preaching to the sheep of the herd that homosexuality is a sin.

I wrote you 3 out of the 4 books of the New Testament were written in greek.The first was written in aramaic.



Roman Empire was ruled by incests,beastlovers,sadomazos,transvestites,pedophiles,being all of these together,not just gays.Gay was some casual and boring routine lifestyle for Roman Emperors.

Granted.

M-G

How is the nonsense these guys are spouting any different than Hitler? Master race that doesn't tolerate anything it deems unacceptable? Funny how it is wrong when you are on the victim side of it but when you are the aggressor it is ok.

you sound like Lesser Krysia.