Gay people? Should they be allowed to marry?

he was misinterpreted for a start... and whats so wrong about allowing people into our country... we let loads of poles in afterall... some of us even had sex with them and enjoy eating their food... shock horror

Its a civil ceremony so people's religious views have no relevance. Why interfere in what to adults do with each other willingly?

Also, weddings are inherently camp. Gay men only want to get married so that they can have a day where they look fabulous! For lesbians getting married is just an occasion to wear one of their many particularly nice waistcoats and maybe a little extra brylcreem on their quiffs.

Smart people keep at home cat or dog, while others snake or tarantula. These are all animals after all.

yup - they all take dumps, smell and make a mess

well seeing as muslim societies are much less tolerant of homosexuality then you should welcome that reality with open arms. or you're equating a person's sexual preference to faith values, either way you're taking a tumble off the slippery slope you've constructed on this matter.

wonder what would you say if your wife told you one day she was in relationship with woman before. Yuck!

mature, well balanced adults do not have the slightest problem with partners previous relationships

I would have problem knowing my man put his di*ck into another man's dupa lmao

General definition, not mine. We must lose the idea of two men (or women, for that matter) not able to marry one and another. We really must lose that or else we will never be able to call ourselves civilized. And, nobody of the opposing posters has answered the question: who in the world are they hurting by wanting to marry? Admitted, it looks a bit funny (or better, unusual), but it should be tolerated and finalized by law everywhere in the world. Because then, and only then, have we made true progress. I know from friends that homosexuals are not accepted in Poland, somebody I knew had severe issues with it; he couldn't even tell his mom he was gay, because she would stop loving him. I may be wrong, but does the fact that your son or daughter is gay turn them into a stranger? Is it all of a sudden not your child anymore? Do you suddenly lose that intense longing to see your child happy, no matter what orientation? If you stop loving your child because of him/her being gay, then you never loved your child in the first place, you loved only the conventions somebody else imposed upon you and the generations before you. I heard so many horror-stories from gay friends who lost all their family just because they were gay. We need to grow up and we need to grow up fast and accept it as a fact of life. And don't give me that cr*p that it's not natural or something; you scr*w your g/f in her *ss as well en you say you like it like that :)

And Bubba: you are right - mature ppl have as well no issues with the choices their exes make, except of course when that choice turns into something dangerous for you :)

M-G (just likes to be tolerant as there is already way too much intolerance in the world)

I'm not so concentrated with homos. Although in longer it may have positive impact on this society. Muslims have some morality, different than mine but they have.



Please answer these questions.

Could you please show me some evidence in the history when people widely considered relationship between two man to be a marriage?

Politically correct crowds tend to redefine the meaning of obvious words. Are you one of those who would abandon "mother and father" to "parent A and parent B"?

For once I agree with you, Kilkline :) Indeed, nothing to do with church or something. Why would you want to abolish that? Let the ppl have their day, they will have you let yours...

Lesser: Question A: Marriage is just a word, granting it to homosexuals does not diminish the meaning of it to heterosexuals. Indeed, there are no facts to prove it, but there are some suspicions, especially in the Royal Houses of Europe

Question B: Redefining words with old-fashioned meanings is a sign of progress. It is not political as such, just a sign of the times and that some countries (amongst others: Britain and Holland) have decided to grant it, is a true deed of civilization.

M-G

Exactly. Just because the Best man is dressed as Shirley Bassey doesnt mean its not a solemn and moving occasion.

- you cannot provide any historical example

- you admit that you redefining words (why not figure out some new ones?)

Still I'm curious your answer for this question below:
Are you one of those who would abandon "mother and father" to "parent A and parent B"?

forward thinking, progressive societies are only just starting to accept that love between two people of the same sex is possible and that it is wrong to deny them the right to express this as equals, it wasnt long ago that homosexuality itself was unacceptable, after all... it was not much longer than that that women were denied the vote and surely we can all agree today that to deny them this right was backward and just plain wrong

there are many more groups that deserve rights that have previously been denied them and i hope as societies we have the strenght to right these wrongs

Ever heard about new ocurrences?
I'm not redefining words - it's the general appreciation of the word that changes, or should change.
How about "Dad and Dad or Mom and Mom"? What the heck is wrong with that? By accepting this, I do not abolish Mom and Dad, I'm just adding new ones. Just because it does not stroke with your conviction, does not mean it's wrong per sé.

M-G

Definitely not everything what you or some group of people deems to be progressive really is progressive. Carl Marx and his followers also considered themselves to be progressive. This is just illusion that will be brutally crushed by reality some day in the same way as communism was.



Sounds like bad joke.

Yeah, let's all go back to the good old days, where you had to work 60+ hours per week, only on Sunday you were ridded of the stranglehold the company-owner had on you and at the end of the week you had to be grateful to him if he gave you your wages of 5 Cents. The good old days where girls were being punished for being raped and females worked just as hard, but did not have any right to state their mind through elections. The good old days where ppl were abused and you landed up in jail for being gay. The good old days where teachers were allowed to beat you up and the church decided what you should do. Yeah, let's all go back to those good old days.

PS: in his days, Marx was indeed progressive and revolutionairy, by granting the workers rights of which they had never heard before...

M-G

What you write is just a demagogy. I see nothing progressive in communism.

I am stunned by the bigotry on this thread.. anyway I have lots of gay friends, both male and female couples, several of whom have had civil partnership ceremonies. I went to a lesbian wedding, where both the 'brides' wore white wedding dresses and it was held in an Anglican Church in a rural village in England and shock horror, both of them are committed Christians. Gay couples can get married in churches in the UK if they can get approval from the Minister. Of course there were some narrow minded folk who were against it, so they decided to invite the whole village to the reception.. some people who were anti. turned up just out of nosiness, but the event increased their awareness of the stigma that gay couples face and they came to accept. Believe it or not, most churches have lesbian and gay societies. Well everyone to their own opinion, but I feel truly sorry for people who cant accept that we are all equal, particularly those professing to be so-called Christians, who by accepting this faith should embrace everyone.
You bigots should wake up and smell the coffee... how many gay Catholic priests do you think there are?

Sapphire, somebody who says that gay ppl cannot be christians or jews or whatever kind of religious is deminishing them to animals. Ppl who deminish other ppl to animals should be locked away from society as they are the greatest threat to that very society. I am glad with your post, sapphire. Too much fuzz about something that is in my eyes not an issue at all. Live and let live.

Lesser: I know you are trying to get your point across, but pls accept the fact that others have taken note of your point and dismissed it as not relevant for today's society. But to state that I am demagoging is way beyond the reach of this discussion.

M-G

Well the thing no person or church will ever be able to do is stop two people from being in love. They can do all sorts of nasty things to keep them apart or down but they can't stop love...and that pisses them off to no end. Makes me smile :)

Polish society or yours society?



I really think so and wont change my opinion only because somebody dislike it.

All societies.



I did not ask you to take it back, I just said that it's a wrong way of thinking. I think you have a wrong way of thinking. That is my opinion. I do not dismiss your opinion as demagogy. I do not like what you're thinking, but it's your right to think so, how backwards your opinion may be. Unfortunately ppl who think backwards like that claim they are being hindred that they cannot speak their mind, while at the same time denying that very same right to ppl who think differently. vice versa there is usually much more tolerance. Thanks Bubba :)


M-G

you all are gays haha

And you are lesbian :)

M-G (is definitively lesbian:) )

I'm not but I get know on Tuesday or Friday that my rabbit is a woman. It spent much oh it's time on my boobs, knees or just in my bed. Obviously She's a lesbian too. Haha, funny cos she has male name now.

Hm, how would you call sexual relations with a rabbitt? Rabisexual? Or just plain old Interspecies Erotica?

:)

M-G (Clerks 2, who did not see it?)

MG there is the attitude loud and clear...she thinks it is funny that some people are gay.

Sad attitudes in this world.

you know, youre absolutely right... one day we'll realise women dont actually deserve the vote...

So you consider your society to be example for all others? This is very self-centric way of thinking. Hopefully you don't want to impose on the rest of the world everything what you deems to be progressive...



Demagogy :)