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MareGaea
  Feb 25, 08, 09:32  #151

lesser wrote:
This is maybe because your nation is not progressive. Just tolerate everything what is wrong (pedophile political party for example) while this what is right is ridiculed and put to the shadow? Just a thought from different perspective


The Paedophile Party was definitively not accepted in Holland. There have been many lawsuits against it and finally it is forbidden. It's not something to be proud of and certainly not condoned of. But we took measures against it. And this is something completely different than homosexuality or gay marriage. In fact, I do not see the point you're making: on what part is gay marriage or homosexuality connected to Paedophiles and the Paedophile Party? Paedophiles can be hetero- or homosexual. In fact most of them are heterosexual. Fact is that they are hated as much in Holland as in any other country.

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jones101
  Feb 25, 08, 09:34  #152

Mare you are talking to people that are taught their whole lives that being gay is an illness. They think if you are not white, catholic, straight and Polish you are on a lesser level.

It won't change a thing.

 
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lesser
  Feb 25, 08, 09:41  #153

jones101 wrote:
Wrong according to who? You? I guess if one person decides it is wrong that means it is wrong for all right?


True is only one, you cannot demand two opposite claims to be correct for different people. This is not question of taste. Even one person might be right about something even if all the rest disagree. Even if they over-vote him democratically, he is still right. You could ignore him but then you work on your own disadvantage.

 
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MareGaea
  Feb 25, 08, 09:42  #154

I know. I was raised with the idea that homosexuality was a depravation which had to be compensated somewhere or was a compensation for the fact that somebody had a certain talent. Like for example when you have showmen who are gay, some ppl in my area would say: "see, they are very good at making shows, but they are gay. Just goes to show they are always lacking something." Homosexuality is not really accepted in rural Holland and loads of non-Dutch ppl make the mistake of taking the mentality of the Big Dutch Cities as the mentality of the whole country. Definitively not true. We got Gay-Bashers, burned down gaybars just like any other country.
I managed to free myself of this hatred or non-acceptance of homosexuality. If I can do that, anybody can do that. There is no excuse pssbl

M-G

 
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jones101
Edited by: jones101  Feb 25, 08, 09:44  #155

No matter how much it bothers some people there are always gonna be consenting, adult gay people doing things in the privacy of their own homes that disgust some. I am happy about that. I am happy that no matter what these bigots try and do they can't prevent the thing they hate so much. The thing they think is ok for them to do in their life.

Hear that homophobes? Right now two guys or girls are getting it on! Can't you feel your stomach turning? Yeehahh.

 
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lesser
Edited by: lesser  Feb 25, 08, 09:53  #156

MareGaea wrote:
The Paedophile Party was definitively not accepted in Holland. There have been many lawsuits against it and finally it is forbidden.


Could you provide some evidence to back this statement.

Court refuses to ban Dutch pedophile party


Maybe it was not widely accepted but 18% of respondents seems to be on the right way to ultra-progressiveness and ultra-tolerance...

In a May 2006 opinion poll, 82% of respondents wanted the Dutch government to stop the party from competing in the electionswiki

MareGaea wrote:
In fact, I do not see the point you're making: on what part is gay marriage or homosexuality connected to Paedophiles and the Paedophile Party?


I was countering your claim about tolerance and progressiveness. But if you ask what this have in common, I can answer. Both things are dramatically wrong and stand in opposition to the western/Latin civilization.

 
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MareGaea
Edited by: MareGaea  Feb 25, 08, 09:56  #157

jones101 wrote:
Right now tow guys or girls are getting it on


I think it's now four guys getting a lovetrain :)) Do I hear vomit splashing on the ground?

Live and let live and get over it and stop being such children and accept homosexuality as a fact of life - in fact I always thought that the ppl who claimed for the loudest they hate homos are in fact gay themselves, just having trouble to accept it, with sometimes disastrous effects: gaybashers, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer. You don't want to feed all those guys who got married some 40 years ago in spite of their homosexuality, just to keep peace with their social environment. Loads of them get divorced now or -worse- kill themselves :( And I think nobody should be put in a situation where there is no other way out than the most drastic step one can take.

M-G (I think ppl who put such a burden on somebody, just because of his/her orientation should be deeply ashamed of themselves - I regard them in some cases indirectly responsible for murder)

 
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Filios1
  Feb 25, 08, 10:44  #158

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But Greek men like it up the batty so I dont see what your problem is....


Please Shelley, if you have nothing intelligent to beckon, please do not waste your time. You have proven time and time again that you are nothing but a racist and demented woman.

 
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MareGaea
Edited by: MareGaea  Feb 25, 08, 10:57  #159

Filios1 wrote:
please do not waste your time


Waste our time would be more appropriate...:)
Not only racist and demented, Filios, also she likes to kiss off to the guys posting here longer than she does and kicking down at ppl who are posting shorter than she does ;)

M-G

 
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ShelleyS
  Feb 25, 08, 10:57  #160

Filios1 wrote:
Please Shelley, if you have nothing intelligent to beckon, please do not waste your time. You have proven time and time again that you are nothing but a racist and demented woman.


Woteva Batty Boy!

 
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MareGaea
  Feb 25, 08, 11:00  #161

ShelleyS wrote:
Woteva Batty Boy!


And again a weekend has passed for Shelley without getting laid...This is starting to be a serious problem for her and she takes it out on us...

:)

M-G

 
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Filios1
Edited by: Filios1  Feb 25, 08, 11:07  #162

ShelleyS wrote:
Woteva Batty Boy


Thanks for this.
Shelley, you need to get laid, instead of calling out men and calling them homosexuals. Just because they won't touch you, doesn't mean that they are gay.

MareGaea wrote:
This is starting to be a serious problem for her and she takes it out on us...


I'll have to agree with this statement.

 
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MareGaea
  Feb 25, 08, 11:13  #163

Filios1 wrote:
Shelley, you need to get laid


So I'm not the only one who thinks this :) She claims she's pretty, but I've never seen a pic of her to prove it. Maybe she is just one of them British knackers wearing tracksuits all god-given day. Her language gives ground to assume this :)

M-G

 
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dusieqq
  Feb 25, 08, 11:19  #164

hmmm i think gay's is normal peoples but in poland they are like ... wild animal in town
i think like that because iam bisexualist and i don't have bigest problem with ,,normal,, peoples
cuz they don't know that....

 
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RockyMason
  Feb 25, 08, 11:30  #165

Well wyspian if she was in another relationship with another woman i'd ***** for a while then i'd probably say can i join for a 3 way? LOL

 
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LondonChick
  Feb 25, 08, 11:33  #166

ShelleyS wrote:
Woteva Batty Boy!


Love it! LOL!!

<turns up George Michael on the radio>

 
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jones101
  Feb 25, 08, 11:52  #167

I think Filios needs a good man shagging. Loosen him up a bit.

 
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Grzegorz_
Edited by: Grzegorz_  Feb 25, 08, 11:54  #168

Foreigner4 wrote:
so i guess then we've abondoned the old construction of society then


If you mean countries like Holland or Sweden then definately yes and soon they will regret that. Besides I wouldn't call It "old construction", rather normality... unless you think that the state allowing 12-16 children legally commit suicide If they have permission of their parents is "normal".

MareGaea wrote:
Just because some frustrated old men wrote 2000 years ago that they hated gays (probably because they got rejected or something), all the world hates gays?


Edit that.

MareGaea wrote:
We really must lose that or else we will never be able to call ourselves civilized.


I don't believe that you wrote that with straight face.

 
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jones101
Edited by: jones101  Feb 25, 08, 11:56  #169

OH perfect! Just the guy to make filios feel like a man again! Serendipity.

Get you and Harry to tag team him and it will be a testosterone love fest for the ages!

 
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southern
Edited by: southern  Feb 25, 08, 12:02  #170

Homosexuality is due to genes.If your brother is gay your chances are 50% to become gay.Some mothers also do a lot of damage because they dress their sons with girls clothes when they are young and they give them dolls to play with.
Contrary to what the feminists think,boys do not need dolls.Give them some ball,small cars or toy soldiers.It is not bad.

 
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Grzegorz_
  Feb 25, 08, 12:05  #171

MareGaea wrote:
It's not something to be proud of


Well, definately but tell me why that happened in Holland and not for example in Poland ? Only 2 different letters... Don't you really see any connection ? And why preaching "tolerance" do you offend religion over 2 billion people believe in ?

 
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Davey
  Feb 25, 08, 12:06  #172

southern wrote:
Homosexuality is due to genes.If your brother is gay your chances are 50% to become gay

Not true
It's not common to have 2 gay siblings

 
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southern
  Feb 25, 08, 12:08  #173

Davey wrote:
It's not common to have 2 gay siblings


If siblings are homozygous twins and one is gay,the other will become gay 100% even if they are raised in different families,in different countries with no connection to each other.

 
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Davey
Edited by: Davey  Feb 25, 08, 12:18  #174

southern wrote:

If siblings are homozygous twins and one is gay,the other will become gay 100% even if they are raised in different families,in different countries with no connection to each other.

Actually, thats bullsh. I saw a documentary studying sexuality where there were 2 identical twins, one was straight and the other was gay so I don't know where you're getting your so-called facts from but they are wrong.

'Religious conservatives often point to studies of identical twins who were separated at birth and raised independently. If one is gay, then the other twin is found to be gay only about 55% of the time. They reason that: since identical twins have the same genetic structure, then if homosexual orientation were determined by genes, 100% of the other twins would be gay. Thus they conclude that homosexual orientation is not genetically caused.'

-http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus3.htm

 
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BubbaWoo
  Feb 25, 08, 12:30  #175

Davey wrote:
I don't know where you're getting your so-called facts from but they are wrong


no... not another poster claiming the gospel truth but failing to give a credible source...?

outragous and so unexpected

 
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Davey
  Feb 25, 08, 12:31  #176

BubbaWoo wrote:

outragous and so unexpected


hahaha indeed.

 
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southern
Edited by: southern  Feb 25, 08, 12:37  #177

Davey wrote:
If one is gay, then the other twin is found to be gay only about 55% of the time.


Even by these studies does not seem to you that a 55% incidence means genetic influence when the incidence in total population is 3%?Only sb with no relations to statistics would claim that 55% vs 3% shows no correlation.
It is the common mistake of the stupid who raise objection to prove the opposite thesis.

 
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Davey
Edited by: Davey  Feb 25, 08, 12:39  #178

southern wrote:

Even by these studies does not seem to you that a 55% incidence means genetic influence when the incidence in total population is 3%?Only sb with no relations to statistics would claim that 55% vs 3% shows no correlation


I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to the number/statistic that you pulled out of your ass.

 
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southern
  Feb 25, 08, 12:40  #179

Davey wrote:
Thus they conclude that homosexual orientation is not genetically caused.'


Do you refuse this or not?

 
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Davey
  Feb 25, 08, 12:42  #180

southern wrote:
Do you refuse this or not?

I agree with it completely.

 
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