Gay people? Should they be allowed to marry?

So you claim that there is no genetic factor for homosexuality.

I believe we'll never know for sure what causes it.

Meh...argue all you want. Gay people are still getting it on right this very minute and YOU CAN"T CHANGE IT!

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

Actually I did.



Because we are basically lightyears ahead of the other countries in Europe.
Tolerance towards groups and streams that have not hurt or damaged any other, but nevertheless ferociously have been pursued by so-called religious groups who claim that they have truth on their side, just because they follow what some old geezers 300 years after the actual events wrote and let their personal ressentiments shine through. It's time to cut all this cr*p and I do not mean to offend anybody, I respect everyone, unlike the groups who feel themselves offended, claiming they have a right to discriminate, but don't want to be discriminated themselves.

What, Gregor, is actually your problem with gay ppl? What have they ever done to you personally? Tell me.

M-G

I am all for tolerance and I have many gay and lesbian friends (we always say that, don't we? LOL). But your statistics prove the opposite to what you're saying, Davey.

If the society has 10% gay people and gay identical twins have 55% gay siblings, then your genes determine 5.5 times more (or 550% more) the sexual orientation then the other factors. And 550% is a lot, in my book at least.

MG greggy pretty much has a problem with everyone that isn't him.

Yeah we do, Dice :) But actually, I have a lot of gay friends. They are really nice ppl and they have never tried to seduce me. They know I'm not gay and they respect that. And I respect them. How about never being able to see your father and mother again, simply because you are gay? It takes a lot of strength and courage to have to lead a life like that.

M-G

I was just saying that identical twins arent always both gay as he stated by using 100% as a statistic

We don't all say we have lots of gay friends. Only one person I consider a friend is gay, and he lives many miles away. He certainly didn't choose to be gay. He spent years fighting it and denying it.

It is for sure genetic.If you read any scientific book or research,you will read this.They have not discovered the gene responsible for homosexuality yet but there are some interesting studies.
Society has 3-6% gays,not 10%.

Who cares what statistics say. The point is there are loads of people that want to control other people's lives because it offends their sensibilities or religion. They are pissed off they can't stop all the nasty things that go on in someone else's bed that has no effect on their life at all. THAT is pretty stupid.

You live your life...I will live mine. I don't try to make Catholicism illegal because I think it is stupid. Stop being hypocrites and try worrying about your own actions.

You are what you are, Osiol. It has no use fighting it as you will only end up being an emotional wreck. Or worse. No life is worth sacrificing just because of what your environment says.

M-G

I know, but the question is why so many of us care what the others are doing in their bedrooms? If it's consensual, and we're all adults, nobody else gets hurt - than why would anybody care? And that especially goes to all the conservatives, who want "the government out of their lives, with one exception - they want to know exactly what you do in your bedroom!


Maybe you should try a differnt hairstylist? lol

Osioł has a point. As I said much earlier in the thread, my friend was gay and he denied it as much as he could. There comes a time when u can't suppress ur instincts any more. He had girls but never seemed comfortable with them. He was trying to deceive himself. He started going to gay clubs and he never looked back from there. I've also known 2 teachers here to be gay. They were more open about it and enjoyed life more as a result. They couldn't have cared less if sb called them a bender or faggot. They were very happy with who and what they were. Marriage doesn't seem to 'fit' as sth gays should do but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to do it.

I think it was Voltaire who said that he may not agree with things that people do but he will defend their right to do it

haha well i didnt read all 7 pages

I don't fight what I am because I'm happy with myself and I know myself well - the straightest donkey there is.
It's those who bang the drum of homophobia you have to watch out for.

Pssssh as to the gay twins thing upbringing of course has to do with wat turns u on or gets u off!! There are tons of strange fetishes that can be developed from childhood or wat not! Its really not that different than other things when u think about it! If ur mom used to give u a chocolate cake on ur B day every yr and u remember those positive experiences then u might have a love for chocolate cake!

If u had ur first sexual experience in the bathroom or humping a balloon or while eating recreating that experience might give u some pleasure of some kind! When it comes down to it who cares y they are gay? If they are consenting adults hurting no 1 who r we to say that wat they are doing is wrong?

You are one wise donkey, I say :)

M-G

I support the gays right to marry because marriage is not just a "sth". Marriage is a legal document; it is a law contract, which allows the two parties involved things like the right to be covered by your partner’s health insurance, the right to FMLA, visits in a hospital when your partner is really sick, the right to the estate after the partner’s death etc.

....Juuuuust to make it crystal clear, could you explain your position supporting the notion of parent-supported suicide somehow being akin to or related to gay marriage?

Actually, I have never heard of any Dutch kid in the age 12-16 legally committing suicide in the Netherlands...Suicide is a crime in Holland, so I do not know where Gregor gets this info from. Guess it's part of the bunch of urban legends doing their rounds about Holland abroad...No, we do not go around sucking out unwanted foetuses ad random and we do not kill everything that's older than 75 years...There are complete procedures one has to fulfill in order to be just even thinking of euthanasia in Holland. And for all those thickheaded geezers who think that it's so easy to commit euthanasia in Holland, I would recommend reading the Diary of a docter of the weeks leading up to when she HAD to euthanise one of her patients. I had to cry when I read it... And FYI: every doctor who commits euthanasia has to go to court and if the Medical Tribune of the Kingdom of the Netherlands finds that the euthanasia is not founded on reasonable grounds, the doctor is jailed for murder and is being lifted of his oath as a practioner. If you really think that it's a Devil's country, my little friendly and tolerant country, better think again if there is not something wrong with yourself thinking like that!

I personally think it's a great good that we have the possibility to euthanise and abort. When you get raped and you get pregnant of your rapist, some countries still forbid you to abort the child, leaving you with a constant reminder of your rape. If you are terminally ill, suffer excruciating pain and there is no way of recovery, then it's just an act of mercy to euthanise. In fact, when you extend a life of suffering, you're acting against the will of God, as his wish is to take that person to him. By extending the life, you're going against that wish. When a dog or a cat is in unrecoverable pain, you put it to sleep; don't ppl deserve a same passing full of dignity? You all Religious-Crazy persons out there, think about this! I know it's hard to think, but try...

M-G

In one way, I could care less what gay people do with themselves, but in another, I don't really want them getting married, but if they did get married, I can't do a thing about it so w/e.

I dunno....I'm kinda undecided on this one.

Freedom for all? Maybe?

M-G

YOU dont want someone else getting married. I just cannot understand where anyone gets off thinking it is for them to say if OTHER people get married. Too weird.

Why, how it would affect you personally?

Yeah, I believe somewhat that gay people shouldn't get married in the catholic church, seeing as in the bible it says that gay marriage is wrong, but then some catholic priest here in the states goes and molests lil boys, so it doesn't really support the bible's arguement.

I think they should do w/e they want, but when it comes to gays being married on the sacred book something in me just tells me its not right.

Am I evil for thinking so?



I didn't say they couldn't, just said I wasn't completely comfortable with it.

Probably the strict catholic upbringing that's kicking in. Not really sure.

Maybe he's missing out on one attractive man? :)

M-G (couldn't resist again)

Haha. Right. I'm prefectly fine with my gf, nice try though ;]



Wouldn't at all. Not like my life would change drastically, but it's kind of "my morals" type of deal. I'm not really sure what to call it.

I just can't see things from their perspective. As a guy, I can't see why another guy would want something "going in" if you catch my drift. I just don't see why that lifestyle is appealing to anyone, but that's me. In my mind, I will never see anyone gay as being "just another couple" but I'm not going to keep them from being together.

Like I said, just because in my mind I don't like the fact that they are getting married, doesn't mean I'm going to devote my life to keep them from being happy.

Not sure what else to say really. It's kind of like my friend Dave, he's a smart guy with a great upbringing, but he admits that he is a bit racist. He doesn't try to belittle anyone who is black, but he treats them like any other human being. He just doesn't "like" them or something. Dunno. Just his mindset.

Draw your own conclusions. It's hard to explain.

8/

:) Ah well, a joke must be pssbl every now and then, shouldn't it? :)

Reminds me of what that Dutch comedian once said: in the 70's and 80's when you saw a lesbian, you never thought "what a waste for mankind"; nowadays that's different: you think more and more: "hell, is she lesbian? What a terrible waste" :)

M-G

Of course :]