Gay people? Should they be allowed to marry?

So I'm not sure If we belong to one species.



So you actually "get It". That's right, you are light years ahead of normality and It went so far that even pedophiles openly demend their "rights". That couldn't happen in any mormal country.




"Tolerance" strikes again...



Fortunately nothing but rapists haven't done anything personally to me either, which doesn't mean that I should be tolerant for them.



I don't really have any problem with "gay people", rather with their useful idiots like you.



"Gay marrieges" (and other "gay rights"), euthanasia, abortion etc. - these things are "Wunderwaffe" of "progressiveness", one has to be blind to not see the connection between them.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_the_Netherlands



Not really surprising.

U know wikipedia isn't a credible source right? LOL IT can be used but u should corroborate it with a more credible source. ? It may be legal but... under wat circumstances is it legal? If the 12 yr olds body is ridled with cancer and he has a few weeks left to live in terrible pain y would it be so bad to know when your gonna die so ur family can be there with u? Where instead of dying in pain u can just to go sleep! Ur off topic again u moron gregorz!!! This thread is about consenting adults having sex with eachother not suicide or pedofiles!

Always great to see foreigners writing "the truth" about Dutch society. Remember Simon Schama? Anyway, I don't have too much time to react right now, but I will and I would just like to remark that I don't see any response by Gregor on my remarks that extending life unnaturally is against the will of God...Maybe he's still thinking about that?

To use your own source:
/quote

In 2002, the Netherlands legalized euthanasia. Euthanasia is still a criminal offence but the law codified a twenty year old convention of not prosecuting doctors who have committed euthanasia in very specific cases, under very specific circumstances. The Ministry of Public Health, Wellbeing and Sports claims that this practice "allows a person to end their life in dignity after having received every available type of palliative care."[1]

/end quote

M-G

So wat if it is against the will of god!?? If it is they will burn in hell when they die!! LOL Might as well let them enjoy this life a little then? OH damn thats a nasty thought! Some1 being punished by people in this life living in misery then being punished for the rest of eternity by some almighty assshole hmmmph!

ROLF



Blimey you're obsessed with my sex life or what, as for putting my pic on the forum its been here and there a members of the forum who know what I look like, I dont feel the need to provide a pic to a couple of batty boys! init! Pusti Malaka!

Malaki, banti quantang moksi bantang:)

I'm not obsessed, it is only too easy to get you to react, and that's all I do: getting you to react - gets kinda boring as you always react in the same way: b*tching me and others off and kissing off to the ones who have been posting here longer than you. To use one of your fave expressions: yawn! As far as your pic is concerned, I really don't need to know what you look like - I know what knackers look like :)

Rocky: most christians don't even know they're acting against the will of God if they oppose euthanasia in certain cases.

Gregor: you are a very disturbed and sick indivual. You might want to consider professional help.


M-G (Shelley's sexlife - or better the lack of a sexlife in her case - does not interest me one single bit)

Well i do agree with you that marriage does lead one to, at least request to be, euthanised-badum-BM! lol. And I do agree with you that there is an intimate connection between social events.

However, you have used a sneaky little debating tactic, it's basically a guilt by association arguement. You decided to group gay marriages (or rights, which i don't support since that has a devisive effect) along with euthanasia and abortion despite there being no cause effect relationship amongst those things.

I.E. one who is gay is no more or less likely to request euthanasia later on in life, and most gay men will never experience abortion in any measure throughout their lives. But, by trying to group them together, you've created a block of issues whereby it appears to increase the validity of your point.

If you're trying to argue that one leads to another within a given society, then you might have rationale conclusion but still no solid ground to stand on. It boils down to it all being none of your business and smacks of religiously inspired conservatism which is actually authoritarianism. And religious types aren't even an authority to talk about their own subject let alone tell anyone how to live.

In fact though, you're attempt merely relies on religious harpiness and continues to be devoid of any real substance or critical thinking on the matter. That's 2 punk moves i've caught you trying to use on this topic. i had previously thought better of you on diff. threads:(

Firstly you moron, I've been posting here since July 2006- I have a couple of other ID's so it would be good if you got your facts in order!

And it would seem even though I dont even talk to you, you seem to have to poke your big fat Dutch nose into whatever I say....as for what I look like, you seem to be obsessed with my looks since you keep on mentioning them... I laughed at yours and the Greek batty boys statements, I would hardly call that a reaction....I laughed because you are a joke, as for kissing off people, I say what I think and if you dont like it Newbie, you know where the off key is on ya computer!



I arrest my case!

I am trying to figure out what you are trying to say. There is no correlation between being gay and deciding to euthanise your granddad. The focal point of this discussion is not homosexuality, gay marriage, euthanasia nor abortion. It's the question if any individual is free to do and decide whatever he wants to at any given time. Religions surpresses this freedom to decide. Communism did so too. Ok, being gay is not quite a choice, but neither a sickness. It's just a different orientation, be it genetically caused. It is just a fact of life that there are homosexual ppl. And since they are ppl, they should be granted every right a heterosexual individual has. Otherwise you would withdraw your society from normal human standards and we are back where we came from. Granting them every right like everybody else includes marriage etc. And if they happen to be terminally ill with no view of recovery and all else fails to cure the patient, the choice should be theirs to opt for an ending full of dignity, the ending everybody deserves. People who oppose this must despise the human race so deeply that they do not want anybody to die in a humane way, instead let them suffer excruciating pain and meet with an end which is slow and long and utterly humiliating. Where is the humanity in this? What is wrong with christianity?

Shelley: my god, how boring you are...A boring kiss off :) A newbie, me? Hahahaha, I've been posting in fora long before you even knew what fora were...I doubt if you even today know what they are...Simple creature that you are.


M-G

EXACTLY!

I think if Greg and Harry want to marry you should all just leave them alone.

Grzegorz clearly see such correlation that the same people support such legislations like gay "marriage", euthanasia or abortion and I fully agree with him. Those people are traitors to the western civilization, they not only rejected it themselves but also badly want to impose their uncivilized, destructive mindset to all population in Europe, Americas and even non-western like Arabic or African.

LOL, "lesser" fits you very well.

With which part do you disagree?

All of it

What exactly is wrong with you?

M-G

And this is still correct, imagine that!



You should ask this question to yourself.

I imagine you in a nice institution, deep in the woods somewhere. Everybody looks the same and nobody is different from the norm. And everybody always says: "yes Lesser, no Lesser, Amen Lesser"

Because I stand for freedom of indivuality as this makes life more interesting I again ask you, who apparently is opposed any freedom of any individual, what is wrong with you?

M-G

lesser, I have read many of your posts but this one just proves that you are crazy or you are just expressig the most prominent anxieties in regards to West, East, Muslim world relations which frankly have no ground but is a good tool to control and manipulate people, who don't relly think that way, or don't think for themselves.
I wish people started to think more than just repeat what they read or hear. I think that you like a good argument, but hardly belive in what you are saying. Or do you?

Hey all you gay haters...I bet right now...somewhere in your own building...maybe even next door...there are gay people having sex. Better get the exorcist over quick!!!

And the sad thing is he is from Gdańsk, my favourite city ;(

I think that Lesser is homosexual himself and he cannot accept that fact. Sometimes ppl who are gay tend to become gaybashers or bash anything that's pink. Maybe he and Gregor, who seems to be not so liberal as well, should evaluate their chances of starting a thing together and eventually even marry each other?

RJ: there are rotten apples in every basket.

M-G (just an idea)

creates a good balance;)

Yeah Mare that is an interesting phenomenon that some of the loudest gay bashers turn out to be gay themselves. Nothing like denial.

It works both ways. Why would someone who is not gay continually fight for Gay Rights?

Is it just in case ?

I have noticed that gays are quite racist towards the transvestites.

Yes I know, but still...

I am doing my best :)

Indeed.

good point. The only reason would be that Gay Rights are symbolic to people who belive in the right to individual freedom in society.

Hah....so you would never fight for something that didn't affect you directly because you thought it was the right thing to do? How horribly selfish of you...but expected.

It also cracks me up that you think that if you were right and I WAS gay that would somehow be a bad thing. You really should worry more about YOUR actions and not everyone else's.

Point taken.