Gay people? Should they be allowed to marry?

agree to that. But still no answers of those anti-euthanasia activists...

M-G

They rub their genitals on women in crowded places like buses,trams.Most women do not have an idea.



So why do they get punished in case they get caught peeping?



Yes,if they are dressed in skirts and stockings in public places,police comes.



Actually they claim there is.Most animals seem to enjoy as their reactions show.



Yes,but when sb is masturbating in view of a woman,he is likely to get jailed.



So why do they have a party?

Ok I dont feel like reading all this 9 pages but gays should be allowed to marry cause why not? more gays = more free girls, somebody is gtonna tell me what abot dykes? so there is about 1 dyke for 10 poofs in statistics so nothing to worry about... of course they shouldnt be allowed to adopt childrent, statisticly gays bring up more gays then normal couples, dont ask me where I know statistics from cause cant remember the source, thank you, end of the subject

which is what? The end of Western civilization? I belive it when I see it.


For me the society is in constant progress and it changes with time. Has, is and will be. Whom am I to judge?

As opinionated as I am about some issues I am not so arrogant to think I should have any say about what two adults do with consent in their own lives. You control freaks are scary.

And to compare a pedo to a gay shows what idiots you are.

correct, however the big hype about gays has something to do with defending the traditional manhood, which homosexuality treatens. It has nothing to do with sexuality , but with loosing the power, which now has to be shared with homosexuals, since they have more rights, more freedom, more influance. It is a power struggle for me.

Agreed...

Plus the church cult still holds sway over people...many will do whatever they are told in the name of religion.

Lesser: I tried giving you a reasonable platform for your arguments, but you failed.



Yes. And in Western Civilisation we have generally eaten bread. So Western Civilisation is dependent on us eating bread, and if we switch to rice, the Muslims will take over.

That's how ridiculous your argument is. Just because something always has been, doesn't mean it always should be. You have not given any good reason for why Western Civilisation would not have come about as it has if we had permitted gay marriage.

Yours is the claim, therefore yours is the burden of proof.



Does anyone know if there's a formal name for the fallacy "you haven't read about it, therefore I'm right"?



You just dodged the question. Can you give me one good, non-religious reason that being gay is immoral or bad for society? All you've done here is reiterate your position. Why is it a "perversion", as you put it, and not simply normal behaviour? (Considering that nature also has its fair share of gay animals.)

that is Lesser's motto;)

How do you publically promote a form of sexuality?

Shall I stand on a soap-box and try to convince the crowds that they should join me in 'shoe fetishism' as the way forward for society?
If you walk down the street holding hands with your partner, are you promoting something, whether you are a straight or a gay couple?

I know chavs and so on like to cover their bodies with clothes adorned with brand names and advertising slogans, but are some people taking this idea of 'life as one big advert' a few steps too far?

I never said otherwise.



I asked if they [gays] might find it patronising. I'd like the viewpoint of a Gay person on the forum, if nothing more than to give me some insight.



I think that if one chooses to advocate something then some understanding of the problem should be shown. And it clearly hasn't been on this thread. At least not by more than two or three posters. I'd like to see more than a yes/no answer.

Most of such people can commit suicide if they really want. Euthanasia would become just another business like abortion, when money are more important than human life.



Although I tend to doubt whether you really know what "right-wing" means but this is possible to homosexuals be rightists. However if they support gay "marriages"or adoption then this is definitely not right-wing. Still world is not white and black, between right wing and left wing ideals there is a lot of space.



In progressive Netherlands they join pedo-party.

Are you really so stupid?

So, because I'm not a slave, I can't understand that slavery was a bad thing, and advocate against it? Don't be silly. My understanding that slavery is bad would not be enhanced by being a slave. The issue would just become more important to me.

Seriously... If everyone had to "show some understanding of the problem" by your definition, then we'd *still* have slavery. Understanding and experience are two very different things.

Maybe we all need some gay experience.

Pls stop mentioning this paedophile party. It's an excess of some depraved men and certainly not condoned in the Netherlands, nor are the representative. Do you really think they would get a seat in the Dutch government? Hell no. They are hated in the Netherlands as much as they are everywhere in the world. The Dutch population was as much appaled as anyone else. And besides this, Holland is not the only country with paedophiles... The only good thing, if there is a good thing about this "party", is that the Pedo's have come into the open, making it pssbl to pinpoint them and pick them out to be jailed or treated.
Constantly picking on this is more like searching for something. In America a black man about ten years ago got chained to the back of a car. The car then drove off, dragging the man to a certain death. Just because he was black. The Jasper, Texas incident was an excess, you can't now say that the entire of the US is a negro-hating pool. No. Just like the Netherlands are certainly not a pedo-loving country. The actions of a handful retarded men cannot stand as example for an entire country of 16.4 million ppl.

M-G

I didn't suggest that and you know it.



True. And that's why I have not mentioned experience.

No, I know no such thing. I'm struggling to understand your position here though. I mean, I can understand the interest in getting a gay person to comment on the debate, but I am still struggling to get past this comment:



Exactly what understanding do straight people inherently lack on the issue of gay marriage? I know that gay people are not able to be married, which prevents them from gaining certain legal rights which are quite important.

Please explain more clearly what you mean by understanding. Because I think the straight people on this thread advocating gay marriage understand the issue perfectly well.


Fair enough. This was just me struggling to understand your definition of understanding, because it isn't clear to me what magical understanding ability that straight people are unable to possess.

A Civil Union gives these same rights. But this is difficult because it depends which country we are talking about. The OP never specified. I realize you may argue that a Civil Union is not marriage, but it can and does take place in church. I have no problem with this.



I would simply like people to give a valid arguement. An explanation would show a deeper understanding of their perception of Gay society. I think this is important, but I can see that we are not likely to agree on this.

Maybe later when I find some time to waste as talking with people, who preaching tolerance calling others names and see their position as somehow "modern" (and the rest as "backward") is definately nothing else than time wasteing.

Yet you had the time to post that....interesting.

"Gay marriages" seem to be not really popular in countries, where they are legal, which shows that the whole thing (and many similar) is just a tool for far-left to destroy tradicional model of the society.

OH because wat is popular is right? The witch trials and extermination of the jews could b viewed as ethical under the premise of popularity=righteousness

I am sorry but you are wrong. I live in Canada which is one of the few coutries where gay marrige is legal and there is no big movemetn against it at all. It is the opposite, or sometimes pure indifferance. I haven't noticed any signs of society being in a process of distraction nor people feeling threatened by it. It is a part of our make up here. I am not trying to convince you because I don't need to and tlaking about coutries you have never lived in is just another example that you luck arguments.
We have other, more serious problems which deteriariate the society and gay marriage is not one of them.
I have quite a lot of friends (one couple is married) and I have fairly deep understanding of the issue. I also know a lot of people at school who are gays and nobody really pays any attention.

I ment that few of homos actually "get married".

you need to be clear on what you say. Marrige is legal here and they have a choice. Just like straigh people. It is not mandatory.LOL.

What a lousy way to say you cannot answer the question. Wouldn't you call yourself not backward when you refuse to grant ppl basic freedoms? To me that is just backward and retard thinking. At least Lesser tried to answer the question. Also funny that Gregor, who is the absolute opposite of tolerance has his mouth full of tolerance towards him...Well scr*w that. Too long have tolerant ppl tolerated the intolerant. It is time somebody put thos little crawlers back into their place.

Miranda: don't waste your time on cowards like that...


M-G (thinks Gregor is just a little coward)

I am not.I am posting this info in case other people are interested:). There are a lot of people reading this and maybe there is somebody who is interested in a positive gay experiance and wants to move to Canada.
The Canadian government understood the importance of allowing gay marrige in order for the same sex spouses to finance their partners in need, so it is no longer the government's financial responsibility. It is partly about cutting costs and passing them onto individuals. Neo-liberal way of thinking BTW.

Ok :) I am sure there are a lot of good ppl out there who actually are open minded and do realise that gay marriage and homosexuality is just a fact of life. To resist against it is just stupid and says so much about one as a person...

M-G (like said, we are spending now 10 pages on something that is actually no issue at all)

Greg..Harry and Filios are just angry that 3 way marriages are not allowed in the EU. If they can;t have love nobody can.