Mixed-Blood Poles in America (Do we count?)

poking fun is one thing, attacking me constantly and telling me that i am something other then polish is an insult

Torq told me that they are just teasing you.

You're about as Polish as I am - ie, not at all.

Ok if someone is born in America yet thier father was born in Mexico are they not Mexican?

Half Mexican, perhaps - but still American if they spend their whole life in America and live as Americans do.

A child born to parents who were born in America is American.

So what would they put down as race for the census? American is not a choice

Depends if they're black, white, yellow, green.

Still American, though.

They're American citizens but racially they're considered Mexican American whether they speak Spanish or not and regardless if they've ever been to Mexico.

So what you're saying is that to be considered polish/Mexican/Irish what have you. You MUST be born in that country and if you are not born there you should not consider yourself a part of that countries heritage even if your relatives were born there?

How about this one, you say all people born in America are Americans right? What about the native Americans that were here before the Europeans even thought about coming here? Now they are considered just Americans and not native Americans?

If you can't speak the language and know next to nothing about the country apart from what you read on a few (badly advised) websites, you aren't part of that countries heritage. Trust me, no-one in Poland considers 3rd/4th generation Polonia to be Polish - in fact, most people here are ashamed of the fact that they are going around, calling themselves TRUE POLES when the only word they know is "busha".

If you want to be Polish and you are at least 3rd generation Polonia - then you need to learn the language, move to Poland for a few years and really get a grasp of what it means to be Polish. Calling your grandparents "busha and dza dza" doesn't make you Polish at all - it makes you a Plastic Pole if anything.


They're American too. From what I know, many Native Americans are proud to be Americans - even if they haven't been treated especially well throughout the years.

I wonder how many of the Polonia would choose Poland over America?

G'day mate. What about calling myself "half-Polish" or an "Aussie of Polish descent". Would that be considered as being a Plastic? Do you think genetics are more relevant to national identity than where you were born?

A lot of the time any attention payed to the non-black side leads to accusations of "black denial". and capitulation in calling yourself black leads to a backlash because of the white parent.

I would love to just up and move to Poland for a couple years but since I have a life And job here it's not likely. I may not be fluent in the language but I know a bit more than busha and for the record I have spent over 2 years researching my heritage and can go back over 300 years I am not bragging I am just saying that just because i can't live there does not mean I can't consider myself from there in my heritage.

And I i had my choice i would choose Poland. At least for a while

So why doesn't he have a Polish name like Andrzej or Michał?
He is still a "Czarnuch" to most Poles who will run like crazy if he walks down the street. Lol.

Why would they run like crazy just because he is black?

As you can see, there are plenty of people more than willing to define both you and I. Thats fine, but the only definition that really matters is our own. Why does it seem impossible to embrace all your heritage? You are in a unique position to observe both cultures objectively and see the good and bad in both. Choosing sides is not really going to help you with anything other than furthering someone elses agenda, and thats whats really going on. As you can see I am not or will never be accepted into any of the heritages that eventually led to me. Sound familiar? Thats the real predicament of being an American. We are everybody and nobody. The whole thing is just more trouble than its worth. I'm just going to live my life.

Amen

I choose being a nobody for he is free of convention.

delphiandomine


Exactly, good post.

Suppoko


Doesn't mean didly. If you wanna be Polish MOVE TO POLAND.

I really don't think you guys are grasping the concept of heritage here. I don't NEED to live in Poland to be polish. If someone lives in Poland but has no ancestors from there are they polish? No, it just makes them a resident of Poland.

What is the time limit I gotta stay in poland? Is there a chart somewhere I can refer to? If I stay for a few years do I get like a % of polish? I mean it just does not make sense that I need to live there to be considered polish.

josh sklodowski


You're American. Chicago's a pretty segregated place. You want people to look beyond skin color? Move to the Upper Midwest (MN., ND.,WI) or States West of the Missouri.

Thats funny right there!

If studied carefully, this thread can teach a Yank more than enough to fully understand Europeans. Am I right my fellow Ah-mur-i-kuns?

that is not how he behaved tho.. same with sok and the few other dolts that are posting less at the moment.. the forum is much better off without them, btw.. much more peaceful.


oops, here is another clueless punk.. of course this guy is more polish then you ever may hope to be.. he at least has 50% of his blood from a pole.. while you are nada.


not necessarily.. but that is way beyond your grasp so i won't even bother.


not many with aholes like you in PL


but according our expert delph he's a 100% polish.. lol


no, it's all a bunch of nonsense... as always..


living in PL doesn't make you polish.. crack a book heritage or something..


they are clueless.. it's rather comical too. lol


yes sir. lol

Obama is a Mulatto or half-breed. He is as much Caucasian as Negroid

now thats funny.

I consider myself part Japanese as I can think in their way. Does that make me Japanese? NO and I never will be.

because his parent are from Ghana?


Shut up you racist anti-polish as*h0le


In Poland there is no blood right or no born right. You are a person who you feel you are and ethnicity (nationality) is a matter of your declaration. Of course the law-makers believe in your common sense that you won't desciribe yourself with a nationality which nothing connects you besides that you'd like to be a Japanese ;P

Since we're having an argument over who has the right to consider themselves Polish, I'd like to remind you all that Poland's greatest astronomer was a German, greatest writer was a Lithuanian, greatest painter was Czech, and virtually all greatest leaders were either only half-Polish or not Polish at all. If you deny them all Polishness jsut because one (or both!) of their parents weren't Polish, then that would mean Poles had never achieved anything.

This is an interesting discussion.

What interests me is the matter of white being a larger problem than 'colour'. Someone who is 3rd/4th generation 'white' probably has a harder time being taken seriously than someone who is 'non-white'. I mean, as a white person, there is no sign that I am Scottish, Irish, Polish etc if I don't speak the language etc. However, being 'yellow', brown, black etc it is automatically taken that someone is 'Asian', 'African' etc.

Another thing I find interesting is that as a English-Scottish half-breed, I am often told I'm not Scottish because I wasn't born there or don't have an accent. However, at one time there used to be established Scottish communities across the globe and those born into them were considered Scottish even if they'd never been to Scotland.

(Not that) Long ago, nationality was more based on ethnicity.

My Mother and Father both immigrated from Poland, and became American citizens.. My Brother and I were born in America.. That makes us legal Anchor babies. AMERICANS citizens of Polish decent.