Szcziglak - Siglock Help

My mothers parents came to Ellis Island in 1907 I believe. Both were from suburbs outside Warsaw.
His name was Vincent Szcziglak (or derivative as I can't find anything on that last name)
Her mothers name was Ann Imelska (or derivative as I can't find anything on that last name either)
Her mothers sister also came at that time and her name was Mary. Her first husband was Zelinski and her second
husband was Zabowski?
My mothers fathers nephew was Joseph Szcziglak.
Alberta Muraski's father was my mother's fathers nephew. Alberta's maiden name was Szwejk.
Any help would be appreciated
Kat

I found him in the WWI drafts with a wife as Veronica living in Ohio?

worked at the barton coal company born may 21 1883.

Vincent Szcziglak 21 May 1883 Helenow, Poland Moundsville, West Virginia <~some more info for him
from the WWII drafts

looks like he immigrated in 1909 and Veronica in 1900 approx.. sometimes the date can be off by a
year or two.

Name: Vincent Szczizlak
Home in 1930: Moundsville, Marshall, West Virginia
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Age: 46

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Birthplace: Poland
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Veronica Szczizlak
Race: White
Occupation:

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Household Members: Name Age
Vincent Szczizlak 46
Veronica Szczizlak 46
Lottie Szczizlak 18
Stanley Szczizlak 17
George Szczizlak 16
Bruna Szczizlak 15
Sigmond Szczizlak 13
Helen Szczizlak 10
Virginia Szczizlak 10
Walter Szczizlak 6
Adam Szczizlak 8
Elizabeth Szczizlak 5
Martin Ebminowski 70

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Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Moundsville, Marshall, West Virginia; Roll: 2543; Page: 11B; Enumeration District: 10; Image: 374.0.

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. 1930 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2002.

Czcslow Szcziglak
Titles & Terms:
Death Date: 10 Oct 1918
Death Place: Colerain, Belmont, Ohio
Birth Date: 22 Nov 1917
Estimated Birth Year:
Birthplace: Barton, O
Death Age: 10 months 18 days
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Race or Color:
Street Address:
Occupation:
Residence:
Burial Date: 12 Oct 1918
Burial Place: Linwood
Cemetery Name:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: Vincent Szcziglak
Father's Title & Terms:
Father's Birthplace: Poland
Mother's Name: Veronca

The above is another child the must have had.. they must have married in Ohio.

Joe Szczygielski
Groom's Age:
Groom's Estimated Birth Year:
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Bride: Stanislawa Gorczyca
Bride's Age:
Bride's Estimated Birth Year:
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Marriage Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 1924
Marriage Place: Marshall, West Virginia, United States
Groom's Father:
Groom's Mother:
Bride's Father:
Bride's Mother:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband:
Film Number: 853820
Digital Folder Number: 4130840
Image Number: 00136
Reference Number:
Source: County Records

maybe this is your joe you refer to that you need to find records for?

I would get in touch with the county above to get these records.. it prob shows
who your great grandparents are on the marrige lic.

Anna Imelska 23 Mai 1909 (23 May 1909) abt 1890 Cuxhaven; Boulogne-sur-Mer; Southampton; New York President Lincoln

The above is a immigration of Veronica ( anna) so she didnt immigrate in 1900 cause she would
have been only 10 years old and would have come with family.
The above is from the Hamburg list.

you could prob check the ellis or steve morse manifest and find her arrival to New York
via the date.

Good luck to you, If I find more I will let you know

some of the above records were found via ancestry, and one via the family search site.

all my best
Patrycja

SZCZYGLAK: patronymic nick for the son of someone nicknamed Szczygieł (goldfinch), possibly becuase he hailed from Szczygły, Szczyglin or similar.

First Name: Veronika
Last Name: Imielska
Ethnicity: Russia, Polish
Last Place of Residence: Sketki Russia
Date of Arrival: Oct 03, 1913
Age at Arrival: 18y Gender: F Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Adriatic
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Manifest Line Number: 0012

First Name: Wincenty
Last Name: Szczyglok
Ethnicity: Russia, Polish
Last Place of Residence: Tabuty, Russia
Date of Arrival: Oct 22, 1912
Age at Arrival: 18y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Kroonland
Port of Departure: Antwerp
Manifest Line Number: 0028

I believe these people are my mother's parents. Any info about relatives would be appreciated.
thanks
Kat

Thanks for all the info
Vincent Szczizlak 46
Veronica Szczizlak 46
Found the records for these two at the Ellis Island site.
Lottie Szczizlak 18
Stanley Szczizlak 17
George Szczizlak 16
Bruna Szczizlak 15
Sigmond Szczizlak 13
Helen Szczizlak 10
Virginia Szczizlak 10
Walter Szczizlak 6
Adam Szczizlak 8
Elizabeth Szczizlak 5 - This is my mother and the above are her brothers and sisters.
Martin Ebminowski 70 - this one I'm not sure of but will ask my mom.

I'd love to see if any of her relatives are still alive in Poland
as all did not come to the USA
Kat
fr8rain@mindspring.com

I sent you an email, appreciate any help

Polish


sounds Russian, so maybe you're mixed

They were both Polish this I know

I see in the above post that you think that vincent was only 18 years old on arrival.

in Learning genealogy, you must follow the paper trail backwards rather then go right to
the immigration and just assume that this person is your family.

I dont know your family, you obviously are asking for help in finding them.

The above appears to be the person in question that you want to find information about.
if we follow your thoughts on the record you found below


And that say


when both records show they came from Russia not poland so it makes them russian
then it would be safe to say that your not sure on this record and this would not be him
because it has a 10 year difference in birth.

on the original cencus gives clues, but you have to travel backwards by cencus, from 1930,
1920, 1910. and see if they are in all of them. WWI drafts, WWII drafts etc,. then try the
immigrations.

some people are very lucky in finding their ancestors in immigration because they already know
the information so they can match up what town they came from and who were the relatives
they came to stay with.

10 years is a big.. no HUGE difference. and i am not saying it cant happen, but I dont believe
that is him. Without conclusive evidence showing what relatives family went to stay with
its impossible to say this would be him.

The other record I havent looked at yet , but I again dont know your family, I am following the
paper trail which clearly shows his age, and dates.

I can copy the original cencus ( if you dont have ancestry) to you to show you what was found
so you can see that the immigration doesnt add up.

good luck
P

Hi P
I appreciate all your help. I don't have ancenstry. I do know that the immigration list them as Polish but last residence was in Russia as at that time it was under Russian rule according to my mom and their was a split. She also told me that Wincenty was the Polish equivalent of Vincent which was his name. I'll be the first to admit that I'm wrong as I've just started trying to find some of her relatives and I'm a definite novice at it. My mom guessed and said that she thought it was 1907 when they arrived. She's looking for her mother's baptismal record that she has.

Someone told me that in Polish the letter "i" never follows "cz" but for all my life and my mothers the last name was spelled Szcziglak but angelicized to Siglock.

Also Czcslow Szcziglak could be Chester who my mother said died in infancy.
My Grandmother Anna Imielska? also had a sister Mary who came with her at the same time who settled in Martins Ferry, OH.
Her first husband was a Zelinski (sp?) and the family had or still has a restaurant in Wintersville, OH.and her second husband was a Zabowski (sp?)

This was what I had found originally, if someone can maybe give her the name of this town in
Poland with the correct spelling and maybe a church address?

according to the paper trail this would be him.

Helen Szcziglak
Birth Date: 28 Apr 1919
Birthplace: West Hammond
Gender: Female
Race:
Father's Name: Walter Szcziglak
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age: 30
Mother's Name: Apolonia Sandowicz
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age: 27
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Paternal Grandfather:
Paternal Grandmother:
Maternal Grandfather:
Maternal Grandmother:
Additional Relatives:
Death Date:
Death Age:
Film Number: 1308569
Digital Folder Number: 4441024
Image Number: 00646
Reference Number:

These are found on family search website, if you register you will be able to look at these
records.

there is a pilot site, that is no longer there, but it does have a newer updated search
option at the top of page, you want to use that one.
make sure to register, you can search and look at record there too for free.

if your just beginning, then you should start with a software like family tree maker to document
your finds and copy records to keep .

FYI. family tree maker will give you a 3 month subscription to ancestry.com

Their names in Polish:

Wincenty Szczyglak
Anna Imelska
Maria Zielińska (her first husband's surname Zieliński) and her second husband's surname: Żabowski
Józef Szczyglak
Alberta Mura(w)ski (could be both ways) and Szwejk - no change here.


Poland was under Russian partition - that's a fact.
Szcziglak doesn't sound Polish and I think the correct spelling should be Szczyglak.
Russians issuing documents for Polish nationals often changed their names to sound Russian, like in Szczyglak from letter "y" into "i".

In Poland there are 321 people named Szczyglak and the map where they reside in Poland: moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/szczyglak.html

to Asik
Good job.

Helen Szcziglak
Birth Date: 28 Apr 1919
I have an aunt with this name and her brother was Walter.
Wish I could read Polish to help with that map, lol. My mother did say that she
thought both her parents came from suburbs outside Warsaw.
I have an old version of family tree maker around here somewhere but I doubt it will
work on this pc.

The Newer versions are very useful. It will help you get started, and you can keep track of
documents and dates.. its really great software I have it and the free ancestry is a plus. :)


you are correct, I have documents myself with the WORD Russian on them.

On the immigrations there are many duplicates.. the dates of birth give clues to the actual person

and the census which is what I followed. the ages dont match up. and until there is more evidence
where her family went, you cant just pick out any wincenty or anna..

I had the same problem with records for my grandmother, I still cant find her, I have one that could
be her, but all the other evidence points to her family in Pennsylvania.

as for poland records.. hopefully someone can look up the church name and address so she
can get records. that first town is wincentys town.. not the immigration one.
so if you want to send her in the wrong direction.. go ahead.

PS.. I have my dads records for his family all the way back to 1759 just so people know
I am not a professional, but I do know what I am doing.

I offer my help... take it or leave it.

no sweat off my back.

PS. my only search right now involves health, because I found one other child who
had passed away at 14 months in 2007, so my quest is to connect those familys not
currently in my tree and to help PREVENT more deaths from occuring thru education
and genetics.. because that was what brought me to where I am today!!

My grandmothers name was Veronika Imielska or Imelska or some derivative, not Anna.
I'm hoping that my mom will be able to find her baptismal records as that will help.
As for the record I found for Wincenty, I agree that it's incorrect and is probably not my grandfather
due to the dates.
The records that I found from the Ellis Island site indicate that Veronika was Polish but came from Russia.
Helen Szcziglak
Birth Date: 28 Apr 1919
Birthplace: West Hammond
Gender: Female
Race:
Father's Name: Walter Szcziglak
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age: 30
Mother's Name: Apolonia Sandowicz
I'm not sure who this is above but my mother may know.

I dont know why I put that up, I think I was looking in immigration in baltimore or philly
not sure how that came up, sometimes they use middle names or shorten the name
so if I did in fact find something ( dont remember what) It was prob a guess due to dates and
such..

I will look again this week, and try to find the reference to that record or why/what I found to
rule out that record.

:) did u get that family tree maker software?

My mom is Mary Veronica Duran (maiden Siglock). Vincent and Veronica are her grandparents. Her family is also tracking some of the old history and would love to get in contact with you. They have many old photos as well as some of the original documents such as naturalization forms. her sister-in-law, Paula Siglock, has much more. I'm sure you both might be able to share some wonderful history. please let me know if this would be useful or if she may contact you for more information, I will happily get you in contact with her!

If you are still looking for more information please let me know. I have some information. My grandfather was George Szcziglak (Siglock) born in 1914