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Where is Borchersdorf, Germany and Kal, Austria?


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Chicago PollockThreads: 10
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Joined: Apr 10, 10 ♂ 		 Feb 19, 11, 16:01    #1
Hi everybody, I am doing a genealogy search and two towns came up: Kal, Austria and Borchersdorf, Germany. I have a hunch that these names don't exist anymore and they have been changed to something else. Does anyone know what they are and where are they? Thanks.
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Kirchenkreis Soldau
-Borchersdorf
-Heinrichsdorf
-Gr. Koschlau
-Szuplienen
-Narzym
-Bialutten
-Soldau
-Usdau

either west prussia or pommerania. that's as much as i got from a list.
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Try this site. It's pretty good.

http://www.kartenmeister.com/preview/Results.asp
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Chicago Pollock:
Borchersdorf


this comes up as being in russia. near kaliningrad.
Chicago PollockThreads: 10
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Yeah, my gut feeling is that these are probably Polish or near Polish border towns that have had their name changed. Thanks for the help, it's appreciated.
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Chicago Pollock:
two towns came up: Kal, Austria and Borchersdorf, Germany.

No idea about (Kal) perhaps you’re missing something (not a full name), as for (Borchersdorf) it’s Burkat
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Chicago Pollock:
Yeah, my gut feeling is that these are probably Polish or near Polish border towns that have had their name changed.


The ones I've looked at (better link: http://www.kartenmeister.com/preview/databaseUwe.asp) are in East Prussia, Warmia-Mazury.

When you get the result, click the name in blue. It gives you more info, including the names in Polish.

Soldau is Dzia³dowo, near Nidzice between Warsaw and Olsztyn. There are several Bochersdorfs, but also one near Nidzice, as most of them seem to be.

Nidzice is one of the lowest (geographically) Teutonic castle towns in Warmia-Mazury. It is one the main Warsaw-Gdansk road, about 30-40mins from Olsztynek (an hour from Olsztyn).
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Kal could be: Kals am Großglockner
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Kalborno, near Olsztyn, or Kallenczin, near Szczytno (not far from Nidzice)?

Or maybe this place http://www.kartenmeister.com/preview/City.asp?CitNum=21813

Not sure why the link in my earlier post doesn't work: http://www.kartenmeister.com/preview/databaseUwe.asp

OR it might be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kal,_Poland
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Chicago Pollock:
Kal, Austria


http://mapsof.net/kal
dczora  Apr 2, 11, 15:08    #11
I am having a similar problem with another town where my uncle was born in 1939. Trÿran or Thÿran is hard to read but is on a birth certificate and on immigration papers. is supposed to be in east prussia which was part of germany at the time however no reference of the place seems to exist.

Is anyone able to help?
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Chicago Pollock:
Kal, Austria

There's a Bia³y Kal in southern Poland. Rather an unfortunate name if you understand the meaning.
Iztok  Oct 8, 11, 11:02    #13
I have similar problem with KAL , AUSTRIA. As the person, who I was looking for in Ellis Island database, is Slovenian, I suppose that KAL could be somewhere in Slovenia (before 1918 Austria). But I'm not sure.
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I suppose that KAL could be somewhere in Slovenia

Kal, Slovenia

Google translates the Slovenian word "Kal" as clay or a pond. Either of the two meanings makes sense to me since:
1. In Old Polish the word "ka³" stands for mud, sludge, silt
2. The Slovenian adjectives attached to some of those "Kal" villages make sense in connection with the "pond" meaning. They are "Rdeči", "Črni", "Veliki", "Mali" so the village names translate as: Red Pond, Black Pond, Great Pond, Small Pond.

I found 14 "ponds" in Slovenia by searching "Kal Slovenia" in Wikipedia:

Kal is a village in the Semič municipality in Slovenia . The area is part of the historical region of Lower Carniola
Kal is a settlement in the Hrastnik municipality in central Slovenia .
Kal is a village to the west of Pivka in the Inner Carniola region of Slovenia
Kal pri Krmelju is a small settlement in the Sevnica municipality in central Slovenia .
Kal is a small village just west of Ambrus in the Ivančna Gorica municipality in central Slovenia .
Kal is the name of a small village in the mountains to the north of the Bača valley in the Tolmin Municipality in the Littoral region of Slovenia.[2] It no longer has any permanent residents.
Kuzarjev Kal is a settlement in the hills to the northwest of Novo Mesto municipality in southeastern Slovenia .
Rdeči Kal is a settlement in the hills to the southeast of Dobrnič in the Trebnje municipality in eastern Slovenia .
Rdeči Kal is a small village to the south of Dob pri ©entvidu in the Ivančna Gorica municipality in central Slovenia .
Lučarjev Kal is a settlement in the hills to the east of Muljava in the Ivančna Gorica municipality in central Slovenia .
Črni Kal (San Sergio) is a village in southwestern Slovenia in the Municipality of Kope
Veliki Kal is a settlement in the hills to the south of ©entvid pri Stični in the Ivančna Gorica municipality in central Slovenia .
Veliki Kal is a settlement in the Mirna Peč municipality in southeastern Slovenia .
Mali Kal is a small settlement in the hills to the north of ©entvid pri Stični in the Ivančna Gorica municipality in central Slovenia .
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1. In Old Polish the word "ka³" stands for mud, sludge, silt

Actually, I found better explanation in Wikipedia, in connection with the name Kalisz.
The modern Kalisz was most probably founded in 9th century as a provincial capital castellany and a minor fort. The name itself stems from the Celtic term cal which means stream, or Slavic term kal, meaning swamp or marsh.


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