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 Feb 11, 11, 13:35    #571
ShortHairThug:
Big deal!!!!!

You're right, it is no big deal that you got caught lying yet again. It's not even a big deal that you were as stupid as to lie about something which was so easy for me to prove that you were lying about: we don't expect anything else from you.

ShortHairThug:
On contrary, you constantly say it, imply it, perhaps not in those exact terms but still.

As I "constantly say it", you'll have no problem at all in quoting posts in which I say that I want Poland to pay retribution for the sins of Nazi Germany or even say anything like it. Alternatively you could just continue to insist that I do say it but fail to produce even a single post in which I say anything like it: that way you can keep reminding us that you are a liar (and a particularly stupid one at that).

MediaWatch:
Many Left-wing Jewish Americans in the past have slandered Polish people here in the US in the mass media and they get away with it. Can you imagine what would happen if it was the other way around?

Those of us who live in Poland have no need to imagine that: it is called Radio Maryja. Have you heard of it?

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 Feb 11, 11, 23:05    #572
delphiandomine:
MediaWatch....go on, just admit it - you hate Jews and that's that.



So let me get this straight. I basically let you know that I'm part Jewish and that somehow makes me someone who "hates Jews"?? Say what??? LOL

That's twisted logic.

delphiandomine:
It would certainly be much easier to discuss things with you, knowing that you're a bedroom brownshirt and all that. It would also explain your apparent deep knowledge of Russian affairs, because the worst neo-Nazis are to be found in Russia, after all.


So is this more of your delph logic?

Play reverse psychology by disparaging Russia to prove you are not sympathetic to Russia?

Cute :D



Harry:
Those of us who live in Poland have no need to imagine that: it is called Radio Maryja. Have you heard of it?


So little Radio Maryja is the reason for Left-wing Big media bias against Poland?

Radio Maryja is a relatively new media outlet. What was the reason for decades of Left-Wing media bias against Poland before Radio Maryja?
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 Jun 8, 11, 19:43    #573
Ksysia:
Mom, a Process Engineer, who married a crested man from Lublin


What's a crested man?
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 Jun 9, 11, 00:57    #574
Skrymcz:
What's a crested man?

I think the poster meant a man with a family crest, in other words a member of the szlachta. My second guess would be a man with a high hairdoo.
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 Jul 14, 11, 17:35    #575
Well my DNA test seems to be pointing me in the middle eastern/Jewish region of the world, so I'm sure that I have some paternal Jewish ancestor somewhere back there.
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 Jul 14, 11, 21:29    #576
EsotericForest:
Well my DNA test seems to be pointing me in the middle eastern/Jewish region of the world, so I'm sure that I have some paternal Jewish ancestor somewhere back there.


Where did you get it? How much cost?
Lilib  Jan 10, 12, 23:34    #577
I heard about Jews to Catholics conversions in sth like XVII century because of unfair treatment of Jews back then. Zygmunt Krasinski in Nie-boska komedia wrote about someone called Przechrzta which is how such people used to be called and it was described as a common act so this could add to our Polish Jewish roots. Actually could be fake or true like anything you get about Polish history.
Tomek_zx  Jan 11, 12, 01:18    #578
It could be but it has no practical matter. After all, all humans have a single ancestor. Does it matter?
Lilib  Jan 15, 12, 17:08    #579
If there had been big numbers of przechrztas this could cause significant change to the gene pool. But only big/huge number not a single act.
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 Jan 15, 12, 19:03    #580
there has been a big influx of Central European genes into the Jewish population - just search what young unmarried Jewish girls often did in garrison towns of Austria-Hungary
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Edited by: PolakwKanadzie  Feb 12, 12, 14:53    #581
PolakwKanadzie: "Pojebani Zydzie"
A fairy tail, if she was Polish she would never make a grammatical mistake like this. Use Google translate next time, you might have a better results perhaps then your story might seem to be plausible.

PolakwKanadzie: Warsaw was nearly 40% Jewish. Lublin 50%, etc etc etc.
In 1938 Jews made up 29% of Warsaw’s population and even after the ghetto was established there by the Nazis Jews constituted only 33% of the city’s population. It’s all BS. Etc etc etc. Get your facts right.


PS. Funny story though, a Jew spitting on Jew pretending to be Polish anti-Semite.


A few things, you sick Anti-Semitic vermin. Let me make that clear. It's a telling tale you have supposed Nazi stats to back you up. Second, if you claim that self-hatred doesn't exist amongst Jews, you have no credibility what so ever.


"A fairy tail, if anything it should be 'pojebany Żydzie' or 'pojebani Żydzi' plural, insulting perhaps but at least a proper Polish for you. If you can’t get this short sentence right two words you’re not Polish period. A native would never make this mistake."


I speak Polish completely fluently, but I am illiterate when it comes to reading and writing. I can enunciate, and take a long time to read, but speaking and listening I'm completely fluent in.I was never taught to read or write in a formal setting, given as I left when I was 3. Does it make me less Polish? I read Polish newspapers regularly, but I still can't write properly. Oh wait, I might be Jewish, guess not eh?
a.k.  Feb 12, 12, 16:49    #582
PolakwKanadzie:
I read Polish newspapers regularly, but I still can't write properly.


That's weird because if you could read then you could write as well. That's a specific of Poish language.

Also the comment you've made:
PolakwKanadzie:
"wpierdol cie morska swinia, i jak cie wpierdoli, ziadaj mowe gowne, ti brudne gomoseksualni"


is completely incomprehensible. Are you aware you called him a... guinea pig?
a.k.  Feb 12, 12, 16:59    #583
PolakwKanadzie:
and gave me the middle name Beniamin, which is also a Jewish name.


Beniamin is not considered to be exculsively Jewish. Sorry, to dissapoint you. Names day for Beniamin is March 31 and December 19.

PolakwKanadzie:
a model for democracy for over a 1,000 years.


1,000 years? Maybe you mistaken Poland for Ancient Greece?
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 Feb 12, 12, 18:05    #584
Bratwurst Boy:
There was a topic some times back telling the same about Germany....

According to some people 90 percent of Europe MUST be some kind of jewish....really astounding if you look at such a tiny people repeatedly kicked out and harassed over the centuries.

And totally crap too, especially as most Jews prefered to keep "pure" to keep their religion and heritage alive and lived mostly voluntarily in their sthetls/ghettoes most of the time anyhow!

After all a Jew is only a Jew if his mother is jewish, right? And I doubt there were many christian women ready to convert to Judaism before...at least not in such huge piles as it would had been necessary.


I really don't think you know what you're talking about. There have been DNA tests showing that 30-60% of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry is European.
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 Feb 12, 12, 19:44    #585
tow_stalin:
it rather not possible. most of polish jews lived separately in their towns - "sztetl". they didn't know polish history, and they didn't speak polish, except very few necessary words. they lived inside their world - there was very few mixed marriages. that's it.


This is statement made out of ignorance. The reason most Jews stick together in a small community is because of them keeping holy on thier sabbath. They have to walk to thier churches.. it only makes sense that they live as close to thier church as possible.. Further most of the Jewish people I know are highly intelligent and although may prefer to speak in thier native language, you can bet they knew Polish. The problem with most people today is they only see the stereotypes. If we stopped fearing what is different we would accomplish so much more.
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 Feb 12, 12, 20:05    #586
PolakwKanadzie:
A few things, you sick Anti-Semitic vermin.

A few things you vile a hole, Yes your post is a complete BS with malicious intent to prove God know what. You had a year to date to respond to this since your original post and you still don’t get it, do you? Are all Canadians as dense as you or is it simply you? Clearly it’s not just the Polish language that you have a problem with but your own native English as well. I suggest you work on your reading comprehension skills Eh?

PS. I assume Mods deleted some posts and the quote by you in the other members post is directed at me. Yup just checked the bin. Wow, really brave of you indeed, all this coming from someone whom it only took a year short of one day to grow some balls. Two more years of intensive training and you might be ready for me. LOL
Lyzko  Feb 12, 12, 20:18    #587
Off direct topic perhaps, but if Poland allegedly had as much anti-Nazi resistance during WWII as say Denmark, Bulgaria or Albania, why is this then not better documented? As it stands, the Danes (the Swedes too, for that matter!), the Bulgarians and the Albanians have gone down in history as friendly to the Jews in their direst hour of need, whereas the Poles en masse, the Hungarians, Romanians, even the Italians, certainly the Swiss along with the French remain the picture of anti-Jewish duplicity and selfish cunning, ready, williing and able to be complicit in Nazi-abetted crimes, though the former themselves were victims of the Nazis in their own way.

I've read tome upon tome on this subject in a plethora of languages, notably Polish and German, but have yet to find any two historians who agree; Hilberg's accused of massaged facts by the revisionists, while Gross is decried by Polish gentile historians, and among Jewish Holocaust scholars also, mighty debates still rage one!
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 Feb 12, 12, 20:24    #588
Oy vey! Marek. You read Gross, hence your dilemma.
a.k.  Feb 12, 12, 20:25    #589
Lyzko:
why is this then not better documented?


Why Irena Sendler's story was discovered and popularized by... American high schoolers?
Lyzko  Feb 12, 12, 20:29    #590
Great! One example. Why not others, such as Socha and Pope Jan Paweł himself? Jedwabne and Kielce continue to resonate in our ears, whereas Denmark's Gilelej and the Jutland coast where Kaj Munk and armed as well as unarmed resistance bravely stood up to the German war machine! A tragic irony, is it not?
a.k. Edited by: Moderator  Feb 12, 12, 20:41    #591
Lyzko:
Why not others, such as Socha and Pope Jan Paweł himself?


Are you asking or what? Write a letter to some historican to write you a book about Poles who were helping Jews.

Lyzko:
A tragic irony, is it not?


When Gross was aksed why he hasn't mentioned in one of his book the Poles who were helping Jews, he answered simply that it is not the subject of his book. As far as I remember he also hoped that no one will jump to conclusions that there was no such people. The whole commotion in Poland about Gross' books is that he writes only about negative aspects of Polish-Jewish relationships and Poles afraid that people abroad will have one-sided, very negative view on Poles.
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 Feb 12, 12, 21:13    #592
a.k.:
Gross' books is that he writes only about negative aspects of Polish-Jewish relationships and Poles afraid that people abroad will have one-sided, very negative view on Poles.

No, the all commotion about Gross is a fact that he is making things up as he goes.

Lyzko:
Great! One example. Why not others,

Shouldn't that be a concern of Jewish historians to commemorate people who helped or attempted to help only to be killed for their trouble. Jews are so intelligent and generously high spirited people without malice, I'm sure that uttermost on their mind is to put spotlights on all the instances when such selfless and brave acts occurred. Also to honor those whose help their families or compatriots received, lifesaving help to be sure.
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 Feb 12, 12, 21:38    #593
Lyzko:
Great! One example. Why not others, such as Socha and Pope Jan Paweł himself? Jedwabne and Kielce continue to resonate in our ears, whereas Denmark's Gilelej and the Jutland coast where Kaj Munk and armed as well as unarmed resistance bravely stood up to the German war machine! A tragic irony, is it not?


you may perhaps choose to read this book (but read the review first) - http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=8353
g r u b a s  Feb 12, 12, 22:19    #594
[quote=Lyzko]Off direct topic perhaps, but if Poland allegedly had as much anti-Nazi resistance during WWII as say Denmark, Bulgaria or Albania, why is this then not better documented? [/quote
Judging from your ignorant posts you must be American schooled aren't you?Bulgaria was Germany's ally,Albania was occupied by Italians not Germans and Denmark "resisted" Germans for the whole 2 (two) hours.Now let me ask you if the Poles were such a nazis as you and your brothers in faith claim,how come 3 MILIONS of Poles (and I am not even counting Polish Jews) perished during German (not some ******* Nazis) occupation?
g r u b a s  Feb 12, 12, 22:52    #595
Lyzko:
As it stands, the Danes (the Swedes too, for that matter!), the Bulgarians and the Albanians have gone down in history as friendly to the Jews in their direst hour of need,

Aha.Lets talk some numbers.What was the Jewish population in these countries?Data from 1933.
Poland aprox.3000000.
Bulgaria 48500.
Denmark 1800.
Albania 200.
Irena Sendler herself saved more Jews (2500) than was the Jewish population of Denmark and Albania com bined.
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 Feb 12, 12, 22:59    #596
Lyzko:
Jedwabne and Kielce continue to resonate in our ears,



how about Bielski Brothers killed 128 Poles in the village of Naliboki during WWII.
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 Feb 12, 12, 23:04    #597
This is the opening post.

Ogien:
As many of you know, Poland used to have the largest Jewish population in the world. Poland was pretty much the "Israel" of the middle ages. Many Jewish concepts were developed in Poland such as the Hasidic movement. My question is, how likely is it that the average Pole has had at least one Jewish ancestor? Have there been any significant genealogical studies on this?


Please, get back on topic.
g r u b a s  Feb 12, 12, 23:05    #598
All data according to United States Holocoust Memorial Museum.So,next time you want to discuss something put it in some perspective you ignorant.
g r u b a s  Feb 12, 12, 23:12    #599
Marek11111:
how about Bielski Brothers killed 128 Poles in the village of Naliboki during WWII.

What about... Humer,Wolinska,Flaksman,Baumac,Holzer,Lerner,Pesses,Ringier,Swiatlo,Bi en,Hakman,Fojer,Kalecki,Mietkowski,Okret,Rubinstain,Taboryski...?And that's just a few.Did you hear about them Lyzko?
Lyzko  Feb 13, 12, 14:40    #600
I s'ppose if you want to get technical about it, population stats vs. total number of inhabitants might be (cynically!) seen as playing a role in Denmark's behavior during the War. Seems you're saying, among other things, that the more a country became "burdened" by Jewish immigrants starting to have an influence, i.e. play a role, in their society, the more they would come to hate them like most everybody else, is that the deal here? That is, had Denmark for instance, theoretically the same number of Jewish inhabitants as pre-War Poland, Lithuania or Latvia etc.., the Danes too would've as one begun to turn vicious against them, but since there were so few of them there, the Danish population was almost "spoiled" and therefore might have acted more sympathetically, is that what you're trying to say, Grubas?!

If that's so, then it's more a pititful comment on the state of the average man than on your own personal hatreds.

As far as my US-education, until that end of WWII, American universities were the envy of the world. I was educated in US highschools, granted, but all of my teachers were either Europeans (Germans, Brits and French) or recent transplants from the Continent. This then rather tosses your theory into the proverbial cocked hat now, doesn't it?-:)


PS
I'm well aware of Bulgaria's role both before AND during World War II. The fact remains, however, that Bulgaria DID issue false papers to Jewish refugees on the way elsewhere in occupied Europe, such as to Portugal (another country I forgot to mention).


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