Julianna Schlagowski and Friedrich Kornatz Genealogy help

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Oct 27, 11, 00:38 #1

Hello Everyone.

I am looking for some help on my family. It seems to just stop at the same generation. Here is what I have found thanks to the Latter Day Saints website.

Julianna Schlagowski: 22 Jan 1837 Prangenau, West Prussia, Prussia. Born to Simon Schlagowski and Joanna Ortowska
I am having some trouble with this one. I know that there were different Prangenau, two in West Prussia. I know that there was also one in South Russia.

Julianna was married to Friedrich Kornatz born 1829 died 9 April 1883 in common day Bialystok, Poland. Born to Johann Kornatz and Lowise Kornatz. I found only 1 Luise married to Johann Kornatz. Lowise's full name was: Wilhelmine Luise Schmidt, b. 1808 died 3 Jan 1848.

I am really stuck on this line. I cannot tell if Ortowska is Russian or Lithuanian or something else. I am confused on whether or not Kornatz is German or really Polish of Kornacz". The lack of records made me wonder if the line is Jewish at all.

I really need some help. Please. I would be more than happy to help those in their own discoveries. Please.

Thank you.

Danielle

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Edited by: TheOther Oct 27, 11, 01:51 #2

According to

https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bgivennam e%3AJulianna~%20%2Bsurname%3ASchlagowski~

the name of Julianna's husband was Kornath, and not Kornatz. They lived in Nieder Prangenau, Westpreussen, and had several children. Since Julianna's parents also lived in that town, I would look at the marriage records of Nieder Prangenau, Kreis Karthaus, Westpreussen. The catholic church books from 1665 to 1887 are available at the LDS, so you might be lucky.

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Edited by: gumishu Oct 27, 11, 01:52 #3

dgrauman

dgrauman:

Julianna Schlagowski: 22 Jan 1837 Prangenau, West Prussia, Prussia. Born to Simon Schlagowski and Joanna Ortowska
I am having some trouble with this one. I know that there were different Prangenau, two in West Prussia. I know that there was also one in South Russia.

your ancestors were clearly Polish - not only their surnames but also their first names tell so - what was West Prussia was Poland before the partitions of Poland - the Germanic element in West Prussia was mostly restricted to cities and towns - some gentry were Germans too but most were gentry were Polonized in previous epochs - Prangenau must have been Pręgowo near todays Kartuzy (Karthaus) - the other Prangenau lies in the area of the delta of Vistula which was rather devoid of Polish nationals (mostly Dutch settlers who germanized inhabited the delta) - Johann and Lowise Kornatz may well have equally been Germans, Jews or a mixed couple, it is doubtful they were Polish as their names would have appeared in the Polish form (Kornac, Kornacz) in the official papers issued in the Kingdom of Poland (which still was under Russian rule) or the tzarist Russia - but it is possible that the names could have been transcribed from Russian papers in cyrillic into German rendering a German look to the names ( the first names still look German) - there was some German settlement in the area of Białystok connected with the growth of textile industry in the area in the 19th century - there were other bigger and smaller areas of German settlement in present day Poland not only in urban areas (then in Russian Empire)

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Edited by: TheOther Oct 27, 11, 04:10 #4
gumishu: the Germanic element in West Prussia was mostly restricted to cities and towns That's incorrect. Here's a list of settlements for a start: http://remus.shidler.hawaii.edu/genes/WPrussia/sitemap.htm Check out the web site, if you are interested. It's much bigger than it appears at first glance.

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Oct 27, 11, 04:19 #5
Forgot: I also suggest to look at the available census records of West Prussia and other regions.

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Edited by: dgrauman Oct 27, 11, 17:54 #6

TheOther: Thank you for helping out. My grandmother explained that the last name "Kornath" was Anglecized upon Maria's emigration to the US. She distinctively remembers that he grandmother used to correct anyone who would mis-pronounce the last name. Saying, "Kornatz" ('a' as in yacht and the tz sound at the end.) rather than Kornath. Ill definitely meander through the LDS Catholic books and see if I come up with anyone's name. I'll read through that link you provided. The more accurate history I can get, the better with my research. This is a stupid question: Do you have link to the West Prussia census documents? Is that on LDS? You have been so helpful. Thank you!

Gumishu:This is great! I am so grateful for the history as well because it gives me a context to work within. I agree that Kornatz last name and the first names are more German than Polish to me. I am thankful that you clarified the Prangenau situation as I was confused on which area the family most likely hailed from. I'll update my information. The last name "Ortowska" we are in agreement in Polish? I had trememdous difficulty locating that last name anywhere. Could it be a different variant of spelling? Or Russian, Lithuanian? Thank you again!

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Oct 27, 11, 18:13 #7

dgrauman:

The last name "Ortowska" we are in agreement in Polish? I had trememdous difficulty locating that last name anywhere. Could it be a different variant of spelling? Or Russian, Lithuanian? Thank you again!

the first name Joanna is clearly Polish - maybe it was not Ortowska but Orłowska - we can make it clear if you could post a scan of the document bearing the surname - (I also couldn't find any poeple of Ortowski/a surname) - if the surname were Russian it would look like Orłowskaja and not Orłowska (see the example of Czajkowskij, Politkowskaja, Przhewalskij)

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Oct 27, 11, 18:45 #8
dgrauman: Do you have link to the West Prussia census documents? Is that on LDS? You have been so helpful. Thank you! I very much doubt Prussia's census documents are available online whether in Poland or in Germany - I haven't found any such link on LDS site http://www.mormoni.pl/rodzina-i-swiatynie/historia-rodziny.html

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Oct 27, 11, 18:56 #9

dgrauman:

Do you have link to the West Prussia census documents

The census of 1905 is available at one of the online databases of the Polish state archives, if I recall correctly. Can't remember which one, but I'll try to find out. Equally valuable is the "Gemeindelexikon für das Königreich Preußen", provinces Posen and Westpreussen, which is based on the census. Also available online at one of the Polish state archives.

The census that is interesting for you is the one of 1809, though. I have only seen parts of it floating around the web, never the complete one.

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Edited by: TheOther Oct 27, 11, 19:04 #10
Here's the link for the Gemeindelexikon, Provinz Westpreussen: http://kpbc.umk.pl/dlibra/doczip?id=31688 and the main site of the state archives: http://www.archiwa.gov.pl/?CIDA=43

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Oct 27, 11, 19:28 #11
I stand corrected: the 1905 census is not available. Think I mixed it up with the Gemeindelexikon. Sorry for that.

summer69Threads: - Posts: 1 Joined: Nov 9, 11 ♂	Nov 9, 11, 20:13 #12
Hello, sorry, the name of Joanna Ortowska is Orlowska!! ´Familyname of Friedrich is Kornath. We have cath. churchbooks from: Bobau Bobau-Dombrowken Danzig St Albrecht Gardschau Gartschin Hoch Stüblau Langenau Kladau Klonowken Langenau Mattern Meisterswalde Mewe Neuenburg Pelplin Pogutken Prangenau Raikau Rosenberg Schiersdorf Schöneck Stendsitz Best wishes summer69

dgraumanThreads: 1 Posts: 2 Joined: Oct 27, 11 ♀	Nov 25, 11, 22:29 #13
summer69: sorry, the name of Joanna Ortowska is Orlowska!! ´Familyname of Friedrich is Kornath. We have cath. churchbooks from Thank you Summer69. I'll change the spelling of Ortowska to Orlowska, as was suggested by another poster. Where can I gain access to Catholic Church records to see if weddings or births (and parent names) are listed? I am open to your suggestions?

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