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Knew I was Hungarian, but my DNA came back Polish???


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Bob D  May 19, 09, 21:47    #1
Hello all,
Like many Americans, my ancestry is pretty varied, or at least where my ancestors came from. I also was aware that my Great Grandfather (Mothers side) came from Hungary.

So late last year I had an autosomal DNA test done. Of the top 20 region matches, 15 of them were in Poland!? I asked about any Polish history in our family, and no one seems to know of any.

I'm reading that there are similarities and a closeness between the two groups, but could anyone give some historical perspective that may clear this up for me? (and no, as much as my parents may have liked to have thought when I was a child, no adoption or infidelity lol!)

Thanks in advance,
Bob

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 May 19, 09, 22:11    #2
you need to read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Empire
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Edited by: McCoy  May 19, 09, 22:15    #3
Bob D:
Of the top 20 region matches, 15 of them were in Poland!?

congratulations. its like winning the lottery
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Edited by: Torq  May 19, 09, 22:21    #4
Sorbs, Poles and Hungarians have biggest amount of gene R1a1(56-60%)
in Europe. It's very probable that we come from the same ancestors.

Check out more detailed info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R1a1

That's quite amazing, isn't it?
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Edited by: jwojcie  May 20, 09, 13:09    #5
Hm... Stefan Batory, elected as King of Poland in 1576 was Hungarian... Actually, Anna Jagielonka was elected, and then nobles married her with Stefan... So maybe you have some royal blood in you ;-)
Stefan was good King... you should be proud ;-)
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 May 22, 09, 08:22    #6
Could you please share a few comments on the DNA check? How is it done, what does it cost, etc.?
Bobd  May 22, 09, 13:40    #7
I used a company called "DNA tribes". They use autosomal testing.

I thought this site did a nice job of comparing the various DNA companies and methods...
isogg.org/eochart.htm


There is, as to be expected, some controversy about the types of test, and companies interpretations. I felt the DNA tribes method was, in my opinion, a good one...
Guest  May 26, 09, 23:54    #8
jwojcie:
Stefan Batory

isnt batory when some one beats you up? i would really hate that last name that & slain people might be afriad of you
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 May 26, 09, 23:56    #9
Torq:
It's very probable that we come from the same ancestors.

Like Budda :

Buddha
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Edited by: Salomon  May 27, 09, 00:32    #10
Torq:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R1a1

Several Indian studies have pressed the case for an Indian origin for R1a1 from the diversity and distinctiveness of microsatellite Y-STR variation. Sengupta et al. conclude that there must have been an independent R1a1 population in India dating back to a much earlier expansion than the Indo-Aryan migration.[9] Sahoo argued from Y-chromosomal data against any major influx into the Indian subcontinent from regions north and west of India, of people associated either with the development of agriculture or the spread of the Indo-Aryan language family.[19] Stephen Oppenheimer also concluded that South Asia is the origin of M17, from its high rates and diversity in Pakistan, north India, and eastern Iran, and low rates in the Caucasus.[20]

In a study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics by S. Sharma (2007), genetic testing showed the highest frequency (up to 72.22%) of Y-haplogroups R1a1* in Brahmins, hinted at its presence as a founder lineage for this caste group. The associated averaged phylogentic ages for R1a* was (~18,478 years), and R1a1*(~13,768 years)

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 May 27, 09, 13:22    #11
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jwojcie:
Stefan Batory

isnt batory when some one beats you up? i would really hate that last name that & slain people might be afriad of you

He he, I didn't think of that :-) But it would rather be like that:
- baty = whipping
- baciory = big whipping (not batory) :-)

Beside polish version Batory is polonized hungarian surname Báthory... So you should ask some Hungarian what is the meaning (if any) of Báthory
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Edited by: Salomon  May 27, 09, 17:49    #12
Multiple Origins of Ashkenazi Levites: Y Chromosome Evidence for Both
Near Eastern and European Ancestries


http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/Levite%20paper.pdf


Previous Y chromosome studies have shown that the Cohanim, a paternally inherited Jewish priestly caste, predominantly
share a recent common ancestry irrespective of the geographically defined post-Diaspora community
to which they belong, a finding consistent with common Jewish origins in the Near East. In contrast, the Levites,
another paternally inherited Jewish caste, display evidence for multiple recent origins, with Ashkenazi Levites having
a high frequency of a distinctive, non–Near Eastern haplogroup. Here, we show that the Ashkenazi Levite microsatellite
haplotypes within this haplogroup are extremely tightly clustered, with an inferred common ancestor within
the past 2,000 years. Comparisons with other Jewish and non-Jewish groups suggest that a founding event, probably
involving one or very few European men occurring at a time close to the initial formation and settlement of the
Ashkenazi community, is the most likely explanation for the presence of this distinctive haplogroup found today
in 50% of Ashkenazi Levites.

If a European origin for the Ashkenazi Levite haplogroup
R1a1 component is accepted as a reasonable
possibility
, it is of interest to speculate further on the
possible timing, location, and mechanism of this event.
Because the modal haplotype of haplogroup R1a1
found in the Ashkenazi Levites is found at reasonably
high frequency throughout the eastern European region


Intriguingly, the Sorbian
tongue, relexified with a German vocabulary, has been
proposed as the origin of Yiddish

LOL ]:-)
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Edited by: Salomon  May 27, 09, 18:10    #13
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Blessing gesture depicted on the gravestone of Rabbi and Kohen Meschullam Kohn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priestly_Blessing

The Priestly Blessing, (Hebrew: ברכת כהנים‎; translit. Birkat Kohanim), also known in Hebrew as Nesiat Kapayim, (lit. Raising of the Hands), is a Jewish prayer recited by Kohanim during certain Jewish services. It is based on a scriptural verse: "They shall place My name upon the children of Israel, and I Myself shall bless them."[1] It consists of the following Biblical verses (Numbers 6:24-26):
May YHWH bless you and guard you – יְבָרֶכְךָ יְהוָה, וְיִשְׁמְרֶךָ
May YHWH make His face shine on you and show favor to you – יָאֵר יְהוָה פָּנָיו אֵלֶיךָ, וִיחֻנֶּךָּ
May YHWH lift up His face on you and give you peace – יִשָּׂא יְהוָה פָּנָיו אֵלֶיךָ, וְיָשֵׂם לְךָ שָׁלוֹם



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Edited by: Moderator  May 27, 09, 18:44    #14
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes

The phrase Ten Lost Tribes of Israel refers to the ancient Tribes of Israel that disappeared from the Biblical account after the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed, enslaved and exiled by ancient Assyria.[1] Many groups of Jews have doctrines concerning the continued hidden existence or future public return of these tribes. This is a subject that is partially based upon authenticated and documented historical fact, partially upon written religious tradition and partially upon speculation. There is a vast amount of literature on the Lost Tribes and no specific source can be relied upon for a complete answer.

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 May 27, 09, 19:47    #15
What's going on here? R1a1 is common in Eastern Europe. There's no need to panic. It means people are more mixed than they realize ;) But everyone is still a caucasion anyway.
Shyn  May 24, 10, 04:03    #16
jwojcie:
Beside polish version Batory is polonized hungarian surname Báthory... So you should ask some Hungarian what is the meaning (if any) of Báthory


I'm Hungarian and our word "bátor" means "brave" :3 Báthory is just a bit of playing around with that word (there are several different versions to write it from Báthory to Bátori), but the core would be "bátor". Yeah, quite a difference in meaning XD
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 May 24, 10, 04:35    #17
Bob D:
So late last year I had an autosomal DNA test done. Of the top 20 region matches, 15 of them were in Poland!? I asked about any Polish history in our family, and no one seems to know of any.


Bob, did they give you three matches: Native, Global, and World Populations? Did you get Polish in all matches? Were they your top matches?

I took the test some time ago and got matched with the exact city where my dad was born. So there's definitely accuracy involved.
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 May 25, 10, 10:39    #18
I don't know much about DNA ethnicity tests, but from a hysterical and cultural point of view Poles and Hungarians have been traditional friends over the ages. Polak, Węgier dwa bratanki,i do szabli i do szklanki (Poles and Hungarians fight and drink side by side) goes a well-known saying.
The Carpathian Mts did not prevent a fair amount of interaction between Poland and Hungary – merchants, itinerant beggars, pilgrims travelling to religious shrines and assorted travellers, even wounded soldiers nursed back to health who decided to settle – all played a part in the two nations' interaction. When Bathory Istvan (Stefan Batory), the Prince of Transylvania) became king of Poland, he brought with him his courtiers, customs, etc. During WW2 secret couriers regularly travelled between Poland and Hungary with messages for Polish forces in the West... Invariably, families arose and children were born out of such inter-ethnic liaisons over the generations...
Hope this helps a bit.
Leka  Jan 8, 11, 22:55    #19
Similarity between Hungarians on one side and Slavic Poles and Slovaks on the other side is a result of very strong hungarization during Middle Ages, especially during 19th century. Today, in northern serbian province - Vojvodina, lives many Hungarians with polish, rutheninan (rusin not russian!) and slovakian las rnames. Therefore, connectivity is not from a common ancestor, but from the political power.
hagyjalmar  Nov 30, 11, 17:40    #20
Shyn:
jwojcie: Beside polish version Batory is polonized hungarian surname Báthory... So you should ask some Hungarian what is the meaning (if any) of BáthoryI'm Hungarian and our word "bátor" means "brave" :3 Báthory is just a bit of playing around with that word (there are several different versions to write it from Báthory to Bátori), but the core would be "bátor". Yeah, quite a difference in meaning XD


I am Hungarian too, the family name has nothing to do with the word "bátor". Báthory means literally "from Báthor" which is a shortened and older spelling of the name of the town Nyírbátor.
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 Nov 30, 11, 17:46    #21
Bob D:
I had an autosomal DNA test done

How much did that cost and where can I go to get it done o:
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 Dec 1, 11, 15:47    #22
Stefan Batory in Polish edition sounds like Jerzy Waszynkton.

Batory is from Hungarian bátor.
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 Dec 1, 11, 20:22    #23
George Washington.
(For that matter, mrozenbe).
Peter Cracow  Dec 1, 11, 21:27    #24
could anyone give some historical perspective that may clear this up for me

It means nothing.
Hungarians had over 1000 years to blend their genes with their Slavish neighbours.
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 Dec 1, 11, 22:32    #25
Bob D:
but could anyone give some historical perspective that may clear this up for me?



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