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KOZIARSKI ORIGIN ?


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 Feb 5, 12, 19:44    #1
does anyone know anything about the surname KOZIARSKI
my grandmothers surname from former polish controlled ukraine

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 Feb 5, 12, 22:54    #2
KOZIARSKI: patronymic from koziarz (goatherd), hence the goatherd's boy.
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 Feb 6, 12, 03:19    #3
Is it a polish surname?
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Edited by: gumishu  Feb 6, 12, 03:26    #4
alexmac:
Is it a polish surname?


it can be equally of Polish or of Ukrainian origin (then somewhat polonized as Ukrainian nobility/gentry mostly turned catholic at some point and assumed Polish identities)

Polonius3:
KOZIARSKI: patronymic from koziarz (goatherd), hence the goatherd's boy.


it can perectly be of toponimic type from a place Koziary - this type was typically born by members of nobility
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 Feb 6, 12, 03:44    #5
Thanks for the information :) interesting

Do you know anything about the surname Sobolewski ?
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 Feb 6, 12, 05:16    #6
alexmac:
Do you know anything about the surname Sobolewski ?


Sobolewski means precisely - 'of Sobolew' where Sobolew is a place name ( -ew suffix is the counterpart of -ów ending in some areas of Poland and vast areas of the east (the suffix originally was just the marking of genetive (possesion) like English 's suffix does) - Sobolew was most probably somewhere in the east either Ukraine or Belarus - as stated before -ski ending surnames where typically born by nobility (but some 'common' people also in time got to bear this type of surnames as an indication of their place of origin) -

however Jewish families can also bear -ski type of names: they often adopted the surnames of the noble holders of lands in which they used to set up inns or were administrators (there are plenty of Jewish families with surnames Potocki, Czartoryski (i.e. the surnames of grand magnate families) - I personally knew one such person) - one can actually say the bigger the name was in Kresy (eastern part of Rzeczpospolita especiallly Ukraine) the more Jewish families will be there with the surname - (I am not saying there were definitely some Jewish families who adopted the Sobolewski surname because I simply don't know it - with lesser nobility one can say there were no Jewish families to adopt their surname with a great degree of certainty)
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 Feb 6, 12, 05:32    #7
Thank you again. I was told that my great grandmothers family were from kresy in eastern Poland and they were of nobility.
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 Feb 6, 12, 05:39    #8
alexmac:
Thank you again. I was told that my great grandmothers family were from kresy in eastern Poland and they were of nobility.


Everyone claims to be of nobility in Poland - but really, the vast majority were just peasants.
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 Feb 6, 12, 05:47    #9
I have copies of my family coat of arms
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Edited by: rozumiemnic  Feb 6, 12, 05:51    #10
delphiandomine:
Everyone claims to be of nobility in Poland - but really, the vast majority were just peasants.

lolllllzzzz really DD you are actually starting to be quite funny.I am laughing here for real.....;D

'I have copies of my family coat of arms'
yeh i bought one of those too.
It has the sinister body louse rampant as its central motif...
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Edited by: delphiandomine  Feb 6, 12, 05:58    #11
Mackowiak coat of arms?

They must've seen you coming...
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Edited by: gumishu  Feb 6, 12, 05:59    #12
delphiandomine:
alexmac:
Thank you again. I was told that my great grandmothers family were from kresy in eastern Poland and they were of nobility.


Everyone claims to be of nobility in Poland - but really, the vast majority were just peasants.


if nobility were 10 per cent of the population in the mid of 18th century then as people started to mix more (with a kickstart in the middle of the 19th century and hardly any notion of nobility as a separate caste after the WW2) there is a great probability you have some ancestors from former nobility - simply remember that before 19th century the nobility mostly kept to themselves (if one was of nobility they had both parents of nobility 95 plus per cent of cases) - then mix the population thouroughly and in a couple of generations you can have 100 per cent of people who can claim their ancestors where of nobility - capisci??? - this is actually very similar to what actually happened

another issue is how come 10 per cent of the population were nobility - well nobility was not a case of owning a land only of owning a title - there were multitude of 'farmer-nobles' who worked their own land in certain areas of Poland or the Commonwealth (Podlasie, big swaths in Lithuania proper and Lithuania sensu lato (modern day Belarus) - there were also multitudes of non-haves szlachta who owned no land and lived off the service to the magnates ('golcy') - this was part of the reason why magnates were so influential - they had plenty of voting supporters and in need armed force in their noble clients)

in Podlasie many villages were in time ennobled en masse for their valour in service to the king - this is one of the reasons why there were so many 'farmer-nobles'
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 Feb 6, 12, 06:04    #13
If someone has or has not got any nobility it's their business. I'm happy I made you laugh tho.

Thanks again for the information gumishu
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 Feb 6, 12, 06:14    #14
Highly recommended reading:
Deklasacja drobnej szlachty na Litwie i Białorusi w XIX wieku, Declasse of lesser nobility in Lithuania and Belarus in 19 century, 2.7 Mb, 124 pages.
http://otworzksiazke.pl/images/ksiazki/deklasacja_drobnej_szlachty_na_ litwie_i_bialorusi_w_XIX_wieku/deklasacja_drobnej_szlachty_na_litwie_i _bialorusi_w_XIX_wieku.pdf
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 Feb 6, 12, 06:52    #15
No mackowiak is not nobile
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 Feb 6, 12, 09:03    #16
KOZIARSKII: Amongst the bearers of the Koziarski surname there were two separate noble lines entitled to use the Ślepowron and Wężyk coats of arms resepctively.
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 Feb 6, 12, 09:39    #17
Polonius3 is Koziarski a polish or Ukrainian (polanized) name?
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 Feb 6, 12, 11:59    #18
It could be both but I would venture to say it was of Polish origin.
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 Feb 7, 12, 04:52    #19
What makes you think that?
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 Feb 7, 12, 08:14    #20
Can anyone write Koziarski in Russian for me please
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 Feb 8, 12, 16:26    #21
Козярский
Mr. Duplaga  Feb 9, 12, 02:08    #22
This is definitely Polish.
Polish nobleman/army added "ski" to get last name.



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