KUKULKA

iowagirlThreads: 1 Posts: 3 Joined: Feb 9, 08 ♀	Feb 9, 08, 21:02 #1
My mother's birth mother's last name was Kukulka. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this surname such as what part of Poland they were from? My mom's birth grandfather was born in Kamien (sp ?). My mom is dark-skinned with black hair and facial features of an African-American. Could Kukulka be gypsies? Any info is appreciated as I've come to a dead end on my own. Thanks!!!

RJ_cdnThreads: - Posts: 323 Joined: Sep 10, 07 ♂	Edited by: RJ_cdn Feb 9, 08, 21:18 #2
Proper spelling is Kamień. I found 9 towns nameed Kamień: Kamień Złotowski Kamień Wrocławski Kamień Kaliski Kamień Łukowski Kamień Białobrzeski Kamień Lwówecki Kamień Zgierski Kamień Opolski Kamień Włodawski so you need to provide a bit more info. There are aprprox. 2000 Kukułka's in Poland.

shewolfThreads: 5 Posts: 1,835 Joined: Dec 23, 06 ♀	Feb 9, 08, 21:26 #3
iowagirl, have you ever tried the Family Search website? www.familysearch.org If you type the last name into the search box, you'll get records of people with that surname.

WhymickeyThreads: - Posts: 61 Joined: Apr 16, 07 ♂	Feb 10, 08, 11:08 #4
Hello Only one person with the surname Kulkulka is known in Poland = Tarnobrzeg (location)

KrzysztofThreads: 2 Posts: 1,146 Joined: Jul 26, 07 ♂	Feb 10, 08, 20:50 #5
Whymickey wrote: Kulkulka coz normal spelling would be Kukułka (without the "l" before the 2nd "k", and of course "ł", not "l")

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Feb 11, 08, 15:26 #6

There is no way for me to find out exactly which town he from. It was hard enough trying to find info on my mom's birth parents and grandparents. I have never been able to locate her birth mom. Mom was told she died shortly after she was born in Massachusetts where the Kukulka's were living but the state of MA has no record of her death. I only found where her birth father, his parents and birth mother's parents were buried. One living relative I was able to contact only remember hearing that this birth mother had died at a young age. I mainly just wondered what part of Poland my mom's relative may be from. Thanks !!

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Feb 11, 08, 18:57 #7

iowagirl wrote:

There is no way for me to find out exactly which town he from. It was hard enough trying to find info on my mom's birth parents and grandparents. I have never been able to locate her birth mom. Mom was told she died shortly after she was born in Massachusetts where the Kukulka's were living but the state of MA has no record of her death.

Are you saying you have no relation to any of the Kukulka's on the Family History Library website? It looks like there were many from Tarnov, Krakowskiego, Poland. Maybe if you contact that town they'll have records.

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Feb 11, 08, 20:35 #8

My mom was adopted at age 4. Supposedly her birth mom died and her birth father couldn't take care of her. Family friends adopted my mom. I always wondered why either set of grandparents didn't take her in - possibly because they may not have married and back then, it was shameful to have an illegitimate baby. Only thing I can come up since the state of MA had no record of a marriage between Julia Kukulka and Alexander Mitchell. Only thing they did have was a birth record of my mom which she anyway along with her adoption papers.

I was basically curious about North Poland. I thought I had read once where they were dark skinned as compared to blue eyed blonde Poles. My mom also remembers when she was about 5 or 6, her birth father had come by and brought what she thought was a grandmother with him to visit. She believes the grandmother was dressed in American Indian clothing. I was thinking maybe more like traditional Polish or gypsy?

Anyway, thanks everyone !

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,604 Joined: Aug 10, 06 ♀	Feb 11, 08, 21:49 #9
iowagirl wrote: My mom was adopted at age 4 Was she adopted in Poland?

iowagirlThreads: 1 Posts: 3 Joined: Feb 9, 08 ♀	Feb 12, 08, 08:02 #10
No. Her birth grandparents came over to the US in 1910 or 1920. I have found that and more info on where they lived in MA.

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Aug 14, 08, 19:28 #11

hello my last name is kukulka.
I have come to a dead end also seeing how it is so hard to start lol.
well my fathers last name is kukulka it is my grandmothers name, she is polish and white foot indian, my family is really americanized so i have no clue where it comes from and most of my family is so mixed that its hard for me to get any leads, if you have any information about the heratige of our well my last name please write back

lynnrose	Jan 7, 09, 11:02 #12
There are relatives of mine that were from Rudka, not sure which one yet - 1881 - immig. to US - josef - his father Frank remained in Poland/Austria

caprice49Threads: 4 Posts: 288 Joined: Aug 5, 09 ♀	Aug 18, 09, 15:58 #13
nickole101: well my fathers last name is kukulka A W. Kukulka died in WW2 - His name is on Roll of Honour in Duns, Scotland where a memorial was erected in 1981 in memory of all those who served in 1st Armoured Division

Hellen	Dec 8, 09, 22:36 #14
Hi there, Cant really see when you posted this. Try searching for Kukulka from Jodlowska/Tarnow - Poland.

Hellen	Dec 8, 09, 22:41 #15
HI again My great grandmother came to Denmark, she was born in Poland - Jodlowska/Tarnow in about 1883-1885. We believe she went with her brother Josef to the US in 1904-05, he stayed there and she went to Denmark. Any suggestions on where to find passengers lists with passengers leaving from NY to Europe?

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Edited by: TheOther Dec 9, 09, 02:53 #16

Hellen
First of all: your great grandmother wasn't born in Poland, but either in Prussia/ German Empire, Austria-Hungary or Russia (sorry, I'm too lazy right now to look up where Jodlowska/Tarnow was). Poland did not exist in the 1880's. Regarding the passenger lists, I would do it the other way round. Try to find the ship she used to travel to the US first (port of departure might have been Bremen or Hamburg), so that you have an indication where she might have lived after immigration. Find the nearest port to that place and it might be the one from where she left to Denmark.

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Dec 9, 09, 18:53 #17

TheOther:

First of all: your great grandmother wasn't born in Poland, but either in Prussia/ German Empire, Austria-Hungary or Russia (sorry, I'm too lazy right now to look up where Jodlowska/Tarnow was). Poland did not exist in the 1880's. Regarding the passenger lists, I would do it the other way round. Try to find the ship she used to travel to the US first (port of departure might have been Bremen or Hamburg), so that you have an indication where she might have lived after immigration. Find the nearest port to that place and it might be the one from where she left to Denmark

So what????it didnt exist....but it is and was our land always!!!!no matter what anybody say.so poland was poland is poland and will be poland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!She was born...in poland

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Dec 9, 09, 18:57 #18
slonce What's your problem? Unlike in dreamworld, in genealogical research you have to work with facts. Wishful thinking and ignoring history doesn't help. :)

slonceThreads: - Posts: 23 Joined: Aug 24, 09 ♀	Dec 9, 09, 19:00 #19
Poland was Polish and is Polish and will be Polish.......i dont care that it didint exist on hte map for a few years...but we got it back,and it was always our land,so she was born in poland.and do know history...thank you

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Edited by: TheOther Dec 9, 09, 19:58 #20
slonce Chill, girl. And no, she wasn't born in Poland... :)

slonceThreads: - Posts: 23 Joined: Aug 24, 09 ♀	Dec 10, 09, 18:02 #21
Where was she born then????strange person................

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Edited by: TheOther Dec 10, 09, 18:09 #22
slonce: Where was she born then If Tarnow is the town a few miles east of Krakow, then she was born in Austria-Hungary, province of Galizia.

slonceThreads: - Posts: 23 Joined: Aug 24, 09 ♀	Dec 11, 09, 17:19 #23
First time i hear that Tarnow by krakow is not Poland!!!

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09 ♂	Edited by: TheOther Dec 11, 09, 17:42 #24
slonce: First time i hear that Tarnow by krakow is not Poland Then I suggest that you grab a history book and learn something, kid. I even help you: http://www.rollintl.com/roll/galicia.htm Second map from top. PS: Of course I know that you're just trolling... ;)

markskibniewskiThreads: 4 Posts: 357 Joined: May 31, 09 ♂	Dec 11, 09, 18:17 #25
TheOther First of all Poland has existed argueably since 966 but more commonly since 1025. The fact that the Polish-Lithuanian treaty collapsed doesn't mean Poland went away just had no leadership. My Grandfather was proud of his Polish heritage and when he came to the Usa. in 1905 , He put Poland as where he came from not the Russian partisian.

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Edited by: TheOther Dec 11, 09, 18:27 #26

markskibniewski

We were not talking about ethnicity, but about citizenship. Of course people felt Polish (I'm not questioning that), but that doesn't mean that they were Polish citizens. Actually, they couldn't, because Poland didn't exist as an independent state at the time in question. In genealogy you have to stick to the facts, that's all I'm saying. Just imagine your grandfather coming from Russia without birth certificate, and the ship manifest says 'Country of Birth: Poland'. Your chances to find the birth place of your grandpa would be minimal after that for example. Unless you have other sources of course, but you know what I mean.

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Dec 11, 09, 19:18 #27

TheOther
On the contrary have you read this post in its entirety we are talking about ethnicity not citezenship. Actually my grandfather did come from Poland without his birth certificate. And the ships manifest did in fact say he was from Poland. And yes I did get his place of birth from another source his marriage certificate. His birth certificate can not be obtained because it was destroyed. But to find this information out I had to look in the archives that are located in Poland not in Russia although he was born under Russian rule. The fact that Poland was occupied and ruled by foreign invaders for a period of time does not make us Russian, German,or Hungarian. By your argument we should all be Italian as the Roman empire ruled three quarters of Europe for centuries. History helps in the genealogical process but is not ruled by it.

I am very curious as to where you currently reside.

I myself reside in the USA. I was born here. If I am asked what nationality I am (I as would most people pronounce thier heredity) I am half Polish and half Irish.

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Edited by: TheOther Dec 11, 09, 19:25 #28

markskibniewski:

On the contrary...

Nope, not true. I was responding to Hellen's post (#15) only; read it.

The fact that Poland was occupied and ruled by foreign...

Again: I am talking about citizenship, not ethnicity. An ethnic Pole who was born in Posen (not Poznan!) in 1900 was a citizen of the German Empire.

I am very curious as to where you currently reside.

See my profile...

I am half Polish and half Irish

That's typical American... ;)

History helps in the genealogical process but is not ruled by it

Rewriting history or ignoring simple historical facts doesn't help, though.

markskibniewskiThreads: 4 Posts: 357 Joined: May 31, 09 ♂	Dec 11, 09, 19:33 #29
iowagirl I assume the state of MA means Massachusetts. If this is the case, have you looked at thier Petition for Naturalization papers. This will list the area they came from often the town, another source would be marriage certificates especially if they were christian.

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Dec 11, 09, 19:50 #30

Nope, not true. I was responding to Hellen's post (#15) only; read it.

I did read it She asks if anyone knows about passenger lists ..you responded by telling her her descendants were not Polish. You are wrong.

Again: I am talking about citizenship, not ethnicity. An ethnic Pole who was born in Posen (not Poznan!) in 1900 was a citizen of the German Empire.

yes but that does not make them German nor if you want to find genealogical data on anyone being born there would you look in the Germany. lol

Rewriting history or ignoring simple historical facts

No one has rewriiten the facts or history...the fact is if you are looking for genealogical
data for a person born in "occupied" Poland ...you will have to look in Poland.

That's typical American... ;)

The fact that American history is limited to a short time frame does not prevent me from being proud of being an American citizen nor does it negate the fact that my ancestors came from somewhere else.

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