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Looking Into The Surname Bednarczuk: Ukrainian, Polish, Ruthenian, Belarusian, etc?


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ToddOPD  Feb 9, 11, 19:14    #1
My Great-Grandparents had the surname Bednarczuk. Family lore has always placed them coming from Ukraine, but the terms Ruthenian and Galician as well as ternopil have popped up in searches.

I figure at least they were from Western Ukraine, but i've also seen the suffix -czuk refered to as Polish in Origin, which leads to questions, which my family has very little answers to.

Other surnames involved include Kowalczuk, Turchyn, and Berykela (not sure if that is the correct spelling).

Any insight to this surname's origin, meaning, or anything would be appreciated, especially if it has Polish roots...

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 Feb 9, 11, 19:44    #2
Hmm... I found information that the surname Bednarczuk has Ukrainian origin and it's name comes from "bednarz" (cooper)

Kowalczuk - comes from the root "kowal", meaning smith or blacksmith The -czyk suffix is a variation of "son of," so this surname literally means "son of Smith." It is poular surname in Russia and Ukraina although it has polish origin
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 Feb 9, 11, 22:33    #3
Name and nationality don't have much in common. You are still using your name Bednarczuk but you are not Ukrainian nor Polish.

They nationality can be guessed if you know what language they were speaking, what alphabet they were writing, what church they belonged to.

Names ending with -uk are refereed to be of Ruthenian origin but because eastern Poland was settled by Ruthenians (Podlasie) or was Ruthenian (south-east) since middle ages and then were Polonised now such names are also found in Poland very often and people that use them are 100% Polish...

It is not the name that decides your nationality so I find those attempts to guess nationality by name not sensible. Especially in CE where borders were shifting, people migrating etc. you would find many Polish with German names many German with Polish names, many Polish with Russian and Ruthenian names, many Russian with Polish names and of course Jews who could have German (Yiddish), Polish or Russian names...

Of course name can give you a hint about the "origins" of your family but the family could already change their nationality twice beafore they emigrated...

Regards

Łukasz
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 Feb 9, 11, 23:50    #4
I knew someone of Slovak heritage called Bednar.
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 Feb 10, 11, 00:17    #5
TURCZYN: Turk, one of many natioanality-derived surnames in Polish including Rusek, Rusin, Niemiec, Czech, Szwed, Cygan, Żydek, Węgier, Madziar, Włoch, Szwab, Duńczyk, Holender, etc.
ToddOPD  Feb 10, 11, 05:49    #6
Lukasz K:
Name and nationality don't have much in common. You are still using your name Bednarczuk but you are not Ukrainian nor Polish.

They nationality can be guessed if you know what language they were speaking, what alphabet they were writing, what church they belonged to.

Names ending with -uk are refereed to be of Ruthenian origin but because eastern Poland was settled by Ruthenians (Podlasie) or was Ruthenian (south-east) since middle ages and then were Polonised now such names are also found in Poland very often and people that use them are 100% Polish...

It is not the name that decides your nationality so I find those attempts to guess nationality by name not sensible. Especially in CE where borders were shifting, people migrating etc. you would find many Polish with German names many German with Polish names, many Polish with Russian and Ruthenian names, many Russian with Polish names and of course Jews who could have German (Yiddish), Polish or Russian names...

Of course name can give you a hint about the "origins" of your family but the family could already change their nationality twice beafore they emigrated...


All too True. Going into this search expecting to find definite answers to ethnic or national identity would be foolish. My surname is considered mostly English, but my roots belie Scottish, Irish, Ukrainian, German, and French-Canadian origins to name a few.

I do however, like you said , think I can get a few hints as to where my Great-Grandparents came from thru their name, and what stood out was the -czuk suffix which ive read is Polish in origin. Now my Great-Grandparents all but confirmed, considered themselves Ukrainian (and possibly Ruthenian) and what hints lead us to them coming from the Western Ukraine also lead me, due to history, looking for a needle in a very large haystack.

For Instance, like you said, thye could have lived in land that was once a part of Poland but could be totally Ukrainian/Ruthenian. On the other hand they could have lived in land that was once Ukrainian, then Polish, then back to Ukrainian (with other Nations claiming rights to the land in between). Ive read that the -czuk suffix is the Polish version of the Ukrainina -chuk. Im not entirely sure if this is correct or not, but it could mean the family once spelled their name differently. Then theres the matter of immigration documents coming thru Ellis Island, for who knows if they decided on the surname based on whatever spelling they chose to interpret. This is all at the moment unknowable but hints are helpful in any way.

Which is why I posted this here. I wanted to see if anyone had any insight into a Polish connection to the surname, wether it be ethnic, national, or simply grammatical, any info is helpful.

I dont have many other clues to offer besides names of regions and towns they were possibly from which are remembered by relatives thru somewhat fuzzy memories. Im pretty sure they were christian, more than likely protestant since ive never heard of any roman catholicism in my family. As for language, alphabet, etc, thats a subject that has my mother and other relatives placing face to palm, regreting not making an effort to remember or ask them. From what ive heard they werent to forthcoming about their pasts as it were. Some family rumors tell they were escaping/hiding from someone, possibly an austrian(or russian) general that my GGF worked for previously.

Also to Trevek, I also read on the net that Bednar is slovakian for cooper, so that substantiates it somewhat.

Thanks to you Lukasz for your candor and insight in responding to my question as well as thanks to everyone else who posted, and if anyone else can shed light on the subject it would be much appreciated.

...And sorry for this post being so long :)
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 Feb 10, 11, 14:48    #7
ToddOPD
FYI -chuk is not the Ukrainian spelling of the Polish ending -czuk, it is the customary English transliteration of Ukrainian -чук. Incidentally, the Germans would transliterate is at –tschuk. (Khruschev’s name was spelt some 30 different ways by different Western newspapers.).
Bednarčuk is the speling in Croatia, Slovakia and the Czech Republic.
Pavlo  Feb 18, 12, 07:38    #8
Bednarczuk is a name of Ukrainian origin and your great-grandparents were ethnic Ukrainians from western Ukraine who were Greek-Catholic. The reason why this surname is specifically spelled with a 'czuk' ending is because your great-grandparents came from the only part of Ukraine that used to be occupied by Poland, the west of Ukraine. Spelling NEVER tells you the ethnicity behind a surname in Eastern Europe, since different languages spell names differently (Ukrainian, Polish, Russian, etc). Just know that 'CHUK' or 'CZUK' are suffixes of Ukrainian origin (btw UKRAINIAN = RUTHENIAN!!) while the similar suffix 'CHYK' is Polish. Had the surname been Bednarczyk, your great grand-parents would have been Polish. I guarantee you they were Ukrainian - you can check Greek-Catholic church records if you don't believe me, and for sure from the west which explains the Polish spelling. Another thing to remember is that if any Ukrainian with that surname would immigrate to the states NOW, the name would be phonetically changed in English from its Cyrillic spelling back in Ukraine - it would turn into something like Bednarchuk or Bednarchouk. However, any immigrants with Polish surnames that immigrate to the states NEVER get their names changed since its already in Latin form! Your great-grandparents' Ukrainian last name was officially spelled Bednarczuk in Polish occupied western Ukraine and their name stayed that way after immigration.
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 Apr 19, 12, 05:25    #9
Lukasz K:
Name and nationality don't have much in common. You are still using your name Bednarczuk but you are not Ukrainian nor Polish.

They nationality can be guessed if you know what language they were speaking, what alphabet they were writing, what church they belonged to.

Names ending with -uk are refereed to be of Ruthenian origin but because eastern Poland was settled by Ruthenians (Podlasie) or was Ruthenian (south-east) since middle ages and then were Polonised now such names are also found in Poland very often and people that use them are 100% Polish...

It is not the name that decides your nationality so I find those attempts to guess nationality by name not sensible. Especially in CE where borders were shifting, people migrating etc. you would find many Polish with German names many German with Polish names, many Polish with Russian and Ruthenian names, many Russian with Polish names and of course Jews who could have German (Yiddish), Polish or Russian names...

Of course name can give you a hint about the "origins" of your family but the family could already change their nationality twice beafore they emigrated...


Thanks. I needed to hear this. I've been obsessing about my nationality a bit since a very recent discovery of a different spelling of my last name and a 1902 ship manifest showing ethnicity of Ruthenian. So true and so well put. Thanks again.



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