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 Jan 4, 10, 03:41    #1
Anyone have any information on people with the surname Neugebauer who immigrated from most likely Bavaria or Austria to Poland during the late 1800s or early 1900s?

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 Jan 4, 10, 03:51    #2
There was someone in the interwar government of Poland by that last name:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mieczyslaw_Norwid-Neugebauer
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 Jan 7, 10, 13:51    #3
NEUGEBAUER: German or Yiddish (Askhenazy) name for a (largely unwelcome) new settler, newcomer or outsider.
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 Jan 8, 10, 06:09    #4
Polonius3:
NEUGEBAUER: German or Yiddish (Askhenazy) name for a (largely unwelcome) new settler, newcomer or outsider.

One of my ancestors had the name Neagebauer and she apparently was asked to sign some kind of document that stated she was loyal to Germany or something along those lines. Does that outrule the possibility that she was Jewish?
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Jan 8, 10, 06:20    #5
Neubauer Standes- oder Berufsname für den neu angesiedelten Bauern

It's not a jewish name....Jews weren't farmers...I don't know any Jew with the name of Neubauer/Neugebauer.

Polonius3:
NEUGEBAUER: German or Yiddish (Askhenazy) name for a (largely unwelcome) new settler, newcomer or outsider.

What makes you say "unwelcome"?
The name just states a fact: "neuer Bauer (new farmer) - Neubauer/Neugebauer"

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Jemand, der als neuer Bürger in eine Gemeinschaft hineinkam, ein Neuling, Neuankömmling, konnte einen Beinamen erhalten, der auf diesen Umstand Bezug nahm. Eine sehr große Zahl von Familiennamen ist so entstanden, die einfachste Namensform ist Neu, mundartlich Ney, Nigge, Naue, auch Neue und Neuer gehören dazu. Der einfache Name Nee weist ein deutliches Zentrum im Landkreis Emsland auf, in der Rangliste der häufigsten Familiennamen im Emsland belegt Nee Platz 25.

In den meisten Fällen wurde der Neubürger als „Neumann“ bezeichnet, mit etwa 150000 Namensträgern findet sich der Name Neumann auf Rang 18 der häufigsten Nachnamen in Deutschland. Neben der standardsprachlichen Form Neumann gibt es eine größere Zahl von mundartlichen Namenvarianten, die nach Neumann zehn häufigsten sind Nau-, Nie-, Nigge-, Nee-, Nei-, Nig-, Niege-, Nü-, Ne-, Nehmann.

Sehr variantenreich ist auch der Name „Neubauer“, mit dem der neu angesiedelte Bauer benannt wurde. Rein niederdeutsche Namensformen von „Neubauer“ sind Niebuhr, -bur, -buer, -boer, -bohr, Niehbuhr, Nibuhr, -bur, Neebuhr, Nigbur, -bor und Niegbur. Halb hochdeutsch sind Neubuhr, -bor und Niebauer. Neubau(e)r und Neibauer sind hochdeutsch, der häufige Name Neuber ist aus Neubauer abgeschliffen worden.


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 Jan 8, 10, 07:13    #6
Bratwurst Boy:
It's not a jewish name....Jews weren't farmers...I don't know any Jew with the name of Neubauer/Neugebauer.

I did some research on the name and it mentioned that it can be Ashkenazic but like you said it's unusual for a Jew to have that name for the fact that Jews weren't farmers.

With that said, Adolf Neubauer who was a rabbinical scholar in Britain, was a Jew.

I also know a guy in college who has the last name Neugebauer and he's Jewish.
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 Jan 8, 10, 07:19    #7
It's because German Aristocrats were responsible for giving surnames to Jews. Some Jews ended up with some silly sounding ones because of that. Neubauer was probably assigned to a Jew by a King or Prince a couple hundred years ago. It doesn't mean that Jews farmed, it was just a random surname someone picked out of the wishing well.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Jan 8, 10, 07:44    #8
Ogien:
I also know a guy in college who has the last name Neugebauer and he's Jewish.

Probably a mix...married into non-jewish new farmers (some centuries back)! ;)
Not all "-steins" for example are purely jewish nowadays either...

PlasticPole:
It doesn't mean that Jews farmed, it was just a random surname someone picked out of the wishing well.

No it wasn't!
As during the middle ages second names were needed to differentiate between the people, professions, characteristics or origins and locations were used...not randomly assigned.

About the origin of jewish names:

http://209.85.135.132/search?q=cache:4v1tq9OKokkJ:www.mail-archive.com /ctrl%40listserv.aol.com/msg86349.html+http://www.uscj.org/seabd/arlin gaf/jnames.htm&cd=1&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de
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 Jan 8, 10, 07:54    #9
Bratwurst Boy:
No it wasn't!
As during the middle ages second names were needed to differentiate between the people, professions, characteristics or origins and locations were used...not randomly assigned.

That was for Germans, but Jews were different. Some of them ended up with names like Greenbaum or something Finkel (I forget the first part) because a German gave them a random surname. I read about it online. I was wondering why some Jews had strange sounding German surnames that didn't sound like they had much to do with Judaism, names like Goldberg, so I did some research.
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 Jan 8, 10, 08:08    #10
Read the link above...it's quite interesting...
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 Jan 8, 10, 08:51    #11
The fact is that in most traditional tight-knit communities where everyone knew everyone else and everything about him an outsider moving in was viewed with both curiosity and suspicion. Naturally, after a few generations the initial odium subsided, and Nowak, Novak, Neumann or Newman became simply a surname with no special connotation.
As for Jewish names, most any German or Slavonic name coudl have been used by Jews, but certain ones were their favourites.
See also: http://www.ancestry.com/facts/Neubauer-name-meaning.ashx
Neugebauer: German and Jewish (Ashkenazic) variant of Neubauer.
German: epithet for a settler who was new to an area, from Middle High German niu(we) ‘new’ + (ge)bure ‘settler’, ‘resident’, ‘peasant’ (see Bauer).
Jewish: either an adoption of the German surname (Jews were not usually agricultural workers at the time when surnames were acquired) or an artificial creation of a name from the German vocabulary word without any relationship to the actual occupation of the first Jewish bearer.



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