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aidadubaiThreads: 3
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Can someone please translate the note on the photo. Thanks a lot.
strzygaThreads: 4
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For Dear Grandma and Grandpa from their daughter and granddaughter.
It's written in Russian.
aidadubaiThreads: 3
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Thank you very much. Can someone recognize the city on the photo?
a.k.  Feb 19, 12, 16:17    #4
aidadubai:
Can someone recognize the city on the photo?


How? Besides pavement and some gate there's nothing on this photo.
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aidadubai:
Can someone recognize the city on the photo?

I really don't think that there is enough there to go on. The road surface certainly isn't of any type that I've seen in Poland but that is probably more due to the date of the photo (1930s?) than the location. The design of the gate reminds me of the gate to Przemysl Jewish cemetery but on a much smaller scale.
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a.k.:
Besides pavement and some gate there's nothing on this photo.


for the sake of argument:
the pavement is a particular style. not seen in wroclaw.

the gate is large and suggests a large building. both possibly still standing.

the building in the background looks modern for the period.

the clothing tells us the year, within a certain period.

we should ask ourselves why a couple would be photographed in the middle of a street. is it a holiday destination ?

yes, i know. i should get a life.
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Wroclaw:
we should ask ourselves why a couple would be photographed in the middle of a street. is it a holiday destination ?

Can anyone make out what is written on the banner in the background? It might be clearer on the original photo?
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JonnyM:
Can anyone make out what is written on the banner in the background?

Having blown up the image, those look like Cyrillic letters (I can make out what very much appears to be an И, fifth letter from the right, the second letter from the right could be an Ж).
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JonnyM:
Can anyone make out what is written on the banner in the background? It might be clearer on the original photo?

The first part looks like KINO (cinema), then there's sth like TR which could be the last part of TEATR or the first part of the next word. Could be TRUMIENKI (little coffins), but it wouldn't make much sense. Could be Cyrillic too, hard to say really.
It would be helpful if the OP had at least a slight idea about the possible location.

The gate reminds me a little the gate to old cemetery in Lipowa street in Lublin. The street arrangement is similar too, but I can't find any pre-war photos of the place.

Here's a contemporary picture of the gate:
http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/3/1/7/f_P1000886m_bdb9794.jpg
lipowa brama
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strzyga:
The gate reminds me a little the gate to old cemetery in Lipowa street in Lublin. The street arrangement is similar too, but I can't find any pre-war photos of the place.

The gate you mention is, AFAIK, in its pre-war form. This photo sort of shows that:
Lipowa street

I'm really not seeing the word KINO. The O has no hole and the K seems to curve both ways, perhaps a X.
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"Kinoteatr miejski"?
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ladykangaroo:
"Kinoteatr miejski"?

No chance. We can see four shapes/letters then a space, then what appears to be 18 then a space, then six shapes/letters. You really need to blow it up (try saving it locally and then using image viewer).
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http://www.uploadup.com/di-89YR.jpg

1 more photo at the same period .There is the name of the photoshop, maybe this can help.
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aidadubai:
1 more photo at the same period .There is the name of the photoshop, maybe this can help.


the photo is most probably printed in W³odzimierz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr-Volynskyi (L. Kos photoshop)

it is very probable that the photos were taken in 1939 or 1940

it is quite probable that the picture was also taken in W³odzimierz (W³odzimierz is not in Poland now but only a couple of miles from the border on the Ukrainian side)
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gumishu:
the photo is most probably printed in W³odzimierz

Yes. At the bottom of the reverse of the photo there is a sign: W³odzimierz Farna 23.
There was Farna Street in W³odzimierz Wo³yñski - as you can see it here, with a big apartment house up front, housing Confectionary and Merchat Bank (I think) downstairs :
http://wolyn.eu/album/Wo³yñ%20wczoraj%20i%20dzi¶/powiat%20w³odzimiersk i/W³odzimierz%20Wo³yñski/W³odziemierz%20Wo³yñski%20-%20stare%20fotogra fie/slides/ul.%20Farna,%20W³odzimierz%20Wo³yñski.html
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and here is the same pavement style:

http://wolyn.eu/album/Wo³yñ%20wczoraj%20i%20dzi¶/powiat%20w³odzimiersk i/W³odzimierz%20Wo³yñski/W³odziemierz%20Wo³yñski%20-%20stare%20fotogra fie/slides/Marcelina%20i%20Edward%20Nowakowscy,%20Stanis³awa%20Grzesiu k,%20W³odziemierz.html
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Can this be that the first photo was taken just after the war?
I would say it might have been taken on this street (Farna St.):
http://pocztowki.antykwariat.biz/object/index/id/6840
The construction that splits the fencing in two is the old belfry, you can see it better here:
http://pocztowki.antykwariat.biz/object/index/id/6838
(and you can almost see the gate to the left of this image)

It seems the belfry was demolished by Soviets after the war:
http://www.genealogia.okiem.pl/foto2/displayimage.php?pid=13188
which would explain why it's not on the first photo.


The fencing is similar, the posts vary in size and the triangular heads seem to be the same style.



Also, the first postcard shows the wall very similar to the one behind the kids on your second photo.
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Oh, there is one more image of the belfry and it even has the "Kino" banner on it:

http://pocztowki.antykwariat.biz/object/index/id/8204
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The small girl on the photo is Maria Weryho-Darowski and she was born in 1936.It seems she was around 3 on the photo.
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aidadubai:
The small girl on the photo is Maria Weryho-Darowski and she was born in 1936.It seems she was around 3 on the photo


well it's been narrowed down quite a bit. at the start of the thread we didn't know which country. now it's down to the city, but were not sure of the street or which end of the street. i'd still call that a result.
a little more research will confirm the exact location.

Ladykangaroo, i need to see all the possibilities on one page. not possible on this little netbook.
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aidadubai:
The small girl on the photo is Maria Weryho-Darowski


Weryho-Darowski, also spelled Viaryha-Dareuski, originate from Witebsk / Vitebsk area, now Belarus. Duke Artemiusz Wiaryha-Dareuski / Weryho stayed in Witebsk in 1862 and in Stajki in 1863. He was known to: Moniuszko, Odyniec, Syrokomla and Aleksander Chodecki in Mohylew (1859).

Katarzyna Weryha-Darowska from Darowo, ¦lepowron coat of arms (1850-1879) is listed as an indirect descendant (cousin's line) of one of the participants of the Great Sejm (Parliament) - 1788-1792.

Polish Genealogy web page, http://polishgenealogy.blogspot.com/2009_09_01_archive.html, has this to say about this family:
Darowski, ¦lepowron coat of arms, vel Weryha-Darowski, Red Ruthenia family, using the nickname Weryha. Supposedly derives from Wojsie³ka or Vasili, son of Mendows, captured by the Tartars, which - after his return from the captivity - was named Weryha. Of these, one Zygmunt was a famous fighter at the times of King John III.
In the nineteenth century they were the owners of several properties: Mydlnik in Kraków district,Trzciniec in Jêdrzejów district, £obaczów and Tetijów in Bia³a Cerkiew district, Ukraine.
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Thank you all of you. But in 1938/39 Wodzimierz was still part of Poland? Because Maria and his father Karol were polish but I think Helena the mother was russian.
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aidadubai:
Thank you all of you. But in 1938/39 Wodzimierz was still part of Poland? Because Maria and his father Karol were polish but I think Helena the mother was russian.


if Maria's mother was Russian (this looks plausible from the writing on one of the photographs) then she was post-revolution emigree from Russia (there have been good couple of thousands of such emigrees in pre-war Poland)

W³odzimierz was occupied by Soviets in late September 1939 (the Soviets had a secret agreement with Hilter to attack Poland jointly but they waited till 17th September waiting if the planned Allied offensive in the west would commence on 15th of September) as Allies didn't move Stalin realised that he had free hand in Poland

my guess is Maria and her mom were sent to Syberia or Kazakhstan in 1940 (most families of Polish officers and officials were sent to Sibir) - had not Anders Army started forming in Soviet Union all these people would have perished (tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands perished anyway)
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boletus:
Polish Genealogy web page, http://polishgenealogy.blogspot.com/2009_09_01_archive.html, has this to say about this family:

Darowski, coat of arms ¦lepowron, vel Weryha-Darowski, Red Ruthenia family, using the nickname Weryha. Supposedly derives from Wojsie³ka or Vasili, son of Mendows, captured by the Tartars, which - after his return from the captivity - was named Weryha. Of these, one Zygmunt was a famous fighter at the times of King John III.
In the nineteenth century they were the owners of several properties: Mydlnik in Kraków district,Trzciniec in Jêdrzejów district, £obaczów and Tetijów in Bia³a Cerkiew district, Ukraine.

Sorry how do you download this site?
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aidadubai:
Sorry how do you download this site?

You do not mean to actually download the entire site? Too big. But to read this particular section on line just follow the link and then search for the word "weryha".
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Do rejestru handlowegQ RHB XII 209 S±du Okrêgowego
w Krakowie Wydzia³ III handlowy wpisano dnia 14-go
stycznia 1946 roku przy firmie: Akcyjny Bank Hipoteczny
S. A. w Krakowie: Dr Jan Wêgrzyllski zastêpca dyrektora
zmar³. Ust±pili Artur Weryho - Darowski zast. dyr, i kierownik
filii w Krakowie.' Zastêpc.± kierownika Oddzia³u w
Krakowie ustanowiono Jana Micha³owskiego: Wygas³y prekury:
Ludw;ka Szumera; Feliksa £anowskiego, Micha³a
Tapkowskiego., Marka Bonharda, Dr. Stefana Do³êgowskie- .
go, Dr Henryka Grudera, Dr Szymona Hubnera, Dr Józefa
1islcwitza . .Dr Zygmunta Friedmanna, Alfreda Obermayera,
Maurycego l\tIandlera, Ludwil~a Szlosa, Daniela Hausvatera,
Zygmunta Hallenberga, Salo Ternera, . Zygmunta Zaliwskiego.
Prokury udzielono Romanowi Choro¶nickiemu

This is a text from a newspaper dated 1946 where Artur Weryho-Darowski was quoted. Can I know what is the subject? Thanks for the help.
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Wyrok w procesie o szpiegostwo.
Przed s??.dem okr??gowym w Wil-
nie zako??czy??a si?? trwaj??ca od 4 dni
rozprawa przeciwko osknrionJ-rrt o
szpiegostwo na rzecz o??ciennego pa??
stwa. Na mocy og??oszonego w:rroku
Stanis??aw Rymkow!'Iki zosta?? !;kaza-
ny na 8 lat oraz Stanis??aw Turno-
S??awi??ski i Otton Weryho-Darowski
po 6 lat ci????kiego wi??zienia. Czwar-
ty wsp????oskar??ony Ludwik KozieU.
Poklewski zosta?? unie'\\inniony.


What is this text quoting Weryho Darowski about?
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aidadubai:
Do rejestru handlowegQ RHB XII 209 S±du Okrêgowego

This deals with the official notification, sent to the local court of justice in Kraków, about changes in the management of the bank "Akcyjny Bank Hipoteczny S. A." in Krakow. Specifically, Artur Weryho-Darowski yielded a position of deputy director and manager of the Kraków branch.

aidadubai:
Wyrok w procesie o szpiegostwo.

This one is not so good news. Otton Weryho-Darowski and two other men were tried and sentenced to some years in prison for spying for a neighbouring state. The trial lasted only 4 days. Otton was sentenced to 6 years in prison. The affair took place in Wilno, today's Vilnus.
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Just to improve your mood ...

1. A confirmation of the relation between Weryha-Darowski name and Mydlniki (not Mydlnik) property near Kraków. From Encyklopedia PWN, http://encyklopedia.pwn.pl/haslo/3890727/darowski-wincenty.html : Darowski Wincenty, W. Weryha Darowski, b. 1787(?), Kraków, d. 20 VI 1862, Mydlniki near Kraków, political activist and landowner. Until 1843 Secretary General of Governing Senate of Free City of Kraków, Senator in 1846, between 1845-1851 President of the Economic and Agricultural Society of Kraków.

2. A confirmation of the relation between Weryha-Darowski name and Trzciniec property, Jêdrzejów district. From the list of marriages to Trzciñski: Maria Trzciñska approx. (1660 - 1710) + Zygmunt Weryha-Darowski from Darów h. ¦lepowron approx. (1640-1700) , http://www.genealogia.okiem.pl/trzcinski.htm

3. Mentioned: Zygmunt Darowski, armored companion (towarzysz pancerny), was ennobled for bravely by the Sejm of 1673. http://www.archive.org/stream/nieznanaszlacht00wittgoog/nieznanaszlach t00wittgoog_djvu.txt
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http://pubserv.uprp.pl/publicationserver/Temp/fgrun1r0832e4pt4s0s2j67n d1/PL33293B1.pdf

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