Polish Gypsy Roots

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07 ♂	Mar 18, 08, 08:45 #31
Pathetic really,the most gorgeous ,non slutty looking girls I saw in Warsaw were Gypsy through and through.....gets one thinking how much is paranoid hate and how much is jelousy.......

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Mar 18, 08, 09:11 #32

isthatu wrote:

gorgeous ,non slutty looking girls

...long hair, long skirts, lots of jewellery (preferably gold), high heels?
Hair and skin colour might vary a lot.
Nobody here said Gypsies are ugly. Most Gypsy girls are quite presentable or more - but they also age very fast, probably because most of them are married and pregnant by 15.
The main issue the Polish have with the Gypsies/Roma is not their looks or their background - it's their refusal to integrate, attend school, take a job, coupled with marriage at 15 and no education for girls, basically. Plus, sorry but it's true, lots of them earn their living through means not necessarily legal (understatement). Same situation here in the UK, where they emigrated as asylum seekers in the late nineties and claim to have "special rights" to this day, even though as EU citizens they have lost their refugee status. They want this, that, and the other - and fast - while not sending their kids to school (ask any attendance officer what ethnic group they visit the most) and not working if they can help it, definitely not working more than 16 hours a week. And they have the cheek to tell me stories about horrible Poles burning Gypsy children alive (this was supposed to have happened the week before last, somewhere in western Poland).

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Mar 21, 08, 02:44 #33

I dunno. I feel like most Polish people have darker features and brown/black hair. No joke out of 100 Polish people I probably see only 5 who are blonde but I see a fair bit who have very dark blonde/brown hair and dark eyes.
My dad has black hair, brown eyes, sorta pale skin.
My mum has Black hair, hazle eyes, olive skin
My sister has jet black hair, dark olive skin, dark eyes and other has dark brown hair, eyes, and pale/olive skin.
I have Dark hair, eyes, and dark skin

Lady in red

Mar 21, 08, 03:02 #34

I was born blonde/ blue eyes. Then I went light brown , then a little bit darker but still with some blonde then I had blonde streaks put in.

Doesn't really matter does it whether you have brown hair or whatever colour hair or eyes does it ? Because at the end of the day you are Polish or you are not and if you are Polish you certainly know about it in many ways other than hair colour or eye colour !

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Mar 25, 08, 18:03 #35

I am trying to find my childrens' Polish Gypsy Roots. On their father's side, they are 100% Polish, black straight hair, black-brown or hazel eyes, olive complexion. The two names I have prior to emigration to America circa 1900 are: (I am spelling phonetically) 1) Cinarski, Cynarski 2) Legako, Legaco. These original two families (my husband's father and mother, respectively) were Roman Catholic & settled in/near Wellston Oklahoma circa 1900. I will be most appreciative of any information which might be given. Thank you.
jkws

jkwsThreads: 2 Posts: 7 Joined: Mar 23, 08 ♀	Mar 26, 08, 14:49 #36
More about their Polish names: Cynar, Cwynar, Dobkiewicz, Petrachevitch, Legako, Lejeko, Ligiejko. Does anyone have info @ gypsy heritage related to the Polish names listed above?

Gypsy Boy

Apr 1, 08, 06:50 #37

Hello. Just browsing over your topic and found it rather interesting. My Grandfather is a Polish Gypsy. He was born in Poland and had two children, a daughter and a son, with my Grandmother who was also born in Poland. One of these children is my mother. Within a few years my Grandparents separated before my Grandmother took her two children and eventually moved to Australia in the early 1970's.
So, my mother and her parents all born in Poland. My father and his parents all born in Serbia. I, Goran, first born child in Sydney, Australia.
Last year, i found and went to visit my Polish Gypsy Grandfather. He now lives in Sweden. It was an amazing experience.

justyna14

Edited by: Moderator Apr 3, 08, 08:10 #38

my polish parents died in a buring house when i was 7 years old .... one of the gypsy man saw me playing outside and screaming for help he came across and called the firemans and saved my life....he said his name was "Ricardo" and that he is a good man and not to be scared of him...couple months after living with him and his gypsy family he desiced to adopt me ...... now i am in england my step parents work and i go to school i am very proud and very thankfull he saved my life.... i am 14 now and i wear everything what i want ....we are very clean people ....
just wanna say that there are different type of gypsies in southpoland the gypsies are very clean and helpful and they can wear whatever they want no matther the age... thank god for sending me an angel

i still wanna find my whole polish family!!!!!!!!!!!!! wanna say how much i miss them and love them
kocham was bradzo i mam nadzieje ze was odnajde :)

we speak no gypsy in our house maybe my step-parents to his family but not to me

Guest

Apr 17, 08, 01:08 #39

i think gypsies are like a cherokee shaman or a hippie or maybe like a witch its more of a ancestrial religion then anything. and its definately not an insult. im polish and i know that gypies are in poland but they are also other places too im not sure what the religion would be called, but like a witch is wicca or a jew believes in judahism being gypsie isnt a stereo type its who you are and what you believe in. im a mutt so i have czechslavokian, cherokee, polish, and black dutch. i was talking to this mediem and she asked me what my heratige was and i told her mostly polish and the other stuff and she said oh you must have gypsie in you, my aunt would have a sense the something was about to happen and 99.9 percent of the time it would happen i have preminotions like my grandmother did its like being a pagan or a witch

Guest	Apr 17, 08, 01:10 #40
being called a gypsy is not and insult if you are a witch and you are called a worlock that would be insulting because in latin "worlock" means betrayor or deceiver

Lucy Borik	Apr 23, 08, 20:33 #41
Not all Gypsies are criminals. There are criminals in every nationality and in every society. What is it about the word Gypsie that creates such animosity and deep seated hatred of them? Perhaps it is not the Gypsie but the person who views the Gypsie with a negative view. We are all God's children even Gypsies.[

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Apr 24, 08, 04:13 #42

True story: I went to the best childrens' hospital in GB, possibly Europe, yesterday, to interpret for a v. sick boy who was to be admitted for surgery. The staff had been trying to get him into hospital for several weeks at this point, there was always something amiss, the family didn't show up, or cancelled appointments etc. When the staff called and said they were from the hospital, the other side would hang up. Yesterday was no different, even though a day earlier the family had solemnly promised to be there with the child. Of course, I showed up, the clock ticked and tocked, and finally the nurse rang the family again, to be told that... they would not be coming. Why? Because they FORGOT. You can guess the ethnic origin of those people yourself.
I will not comment on this at all. But I think that some of the attitude they present here, and not only in this instance I can assure you, causes other people to view them the way they do.

Arise_St_GeorgeThreads: 15 Posts: 572 Joined: Mar 8, 08 ♂	Apr 24, 08, 05:07 #43
I've got gypsie ancestors from somewhere in Eastern Europe...

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Apr 25, 08, 09:10 #44

Lucy Borik:

Not all Gypsies are criminals. What is it about the word Gypsie that creates such animosity and deep seated hatred of them?

They are scum. Theft is a way of life for them, and they steal everything they can, from food to manhole covers and copper cables (to sell to companies that recycle metals). They have numerous offspring, they are illiterate, they don't bathe and subsequently smell like crap. None of them go to school, they don't have jobs and don't want to work. They literally live in garbage, usually around landfills. Their young are their primary source of income, in two ways: firstly, they are all on welfare and they get a certain amount of money every month for every "child", and secondly, they don't send their young to school but instead force them to beg and steal. Minors can break the law without any consequences, and the gypsies use this loophole to support their parasitic lifestyle. Some gypsies learn how to play a musical instrument (usually trumpets or accordions) and then play those instruments during celebrations of various kinds, hoping to get some money out of the drunken people at the celebrations. Most petty thefts (in excess of 99%) are committed by young gypsies, as are many other crimes. Their average IQ is about 70.

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May 25, 08, 10:23 #45

well....
my grandmother is a gypsy, from somewhere around SokÓłka, i`ve never met her family even thou i wanted to. She married my grandfather who was polish,most of my grandfathers family didn't accept my grandma and i think she was rejected by her family for her marriage.
My grandma is a terrific woman, full of energy, passion, loves to dance and sing, she is stern and lovable.
she mostly raised me and my sister. when iI was 5 or 6 years old I went to Tarnów and stayed there for few months.
There I met great roma's , they had their own clubs, their own buildings, they welcomed us with open arms, we had a great time in there and made many friends,

my family always tells me that I inherited only one thing a gypsy soul and its magic, not the looks,

well I`m proud of who I am, even thou I am considered an outsider

human nature is a human nature, some will steal ,some will work through their culture and others will adjust to the world around and hopefully cherish their roots

SSpringerThreads: 5 Posts: 66 Joined: Sep 19, 07 ♂	May 28, 08, 20:01 #46
my family was part of the Doliwa clan....

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Edited by: osiol May 28, 08, 20:17 #47

Of the colleagues of mine from eastern... i mean central europe... Okay, let's say A8 countries! Of my colleagues from... over there, the Czech bloke and the Slovak bloke are Gypsies. They must be really good at stealing because I haven't noticed any theft yet.

But it seems that these days, it is perfectly acceptable to discriminate against Gypsies, to reinforce negative stereotypes, to 'put them in their place'. Within any group, there will be some tendency for them to wish to maintain cohesiion and to stick to their own way of doing things. Is this not as true for Poles living abroad as it is for Gypsies anywhere?

The discrimination against Gypsies that I have even noticed for myself in Poland, merely exacerbates the problems. Of the Gypsies from Poland, Czech, Slovakia et al who move to western Europe, some will remain 'visibly Gypsy', whereas others will be finding a new life where they can get away from the dicrimination and negative stereotypes they are tarnished with in the countries they have left, and they can get on with living and working.

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Edited by: Magdalena May 31, 08, 09:29 #48

osiol:

Of the colleagues of mine from eastern... i mean central europe... Okay, let's say A8 countries! Of my colleagues from... over there, the Czech bloke and the Slovak bloke are Gypsies. They must be really good at stealing because I haven't noticed any theft yet.

The thing is, Czech and Slovak Roma don't take their children out of school at 12 and don't marry off their daughters at 14.
Their women are allowed to cut their hair, wear trousers or short skirts if they so wish.
They are literate, articulate, and if asked - usually refer to themselves as "Czech" or "Slovak", not Roma.
BTW, they are very sarcastic about their Polish brethren with their traditional crippling lifestyle of no employment, no schooling, and teenage marriage plus obligatory long skirts and long hair for the ladies.
"Roma" literally means "human". We are "Gajo" and can never become Roma. As long as there are people who see themselves as superhuman, any truly two-way communication between "Us" and "Them" will remain impossible. In the long run, they see us as pathetic and slightly comical.
All spoken out of experience as community interpreter.

cadolog	Jun 1, 08, 21:41 #49
Hey! I just had my DNA checked and found that my roots travel to Bulgaria, Georgia etc. and I know that my Great-Grandmother was 'Bohemian'. Guess what's on my grandmother's birth certificate --- that great-grandma was born in Poland! I have found common ancestors with people who are 'gypsy' and so I conclude that my great-grandmother was probably 'gypsy' (and claimed to be Polish too!)

Guest

Jun 9, 08, 06:15 #50

My father was Polish and my mother was Irish descent and I was born in UK, have always lived in a house and can honestly say it DOES NOT FEEL RIGHT TO ME to live that way. I have blue eyes and brown hair but I have the heart and soul of a Gypsy! Living in a house for me is very claustrophobic and not at all natural. There is something very natural about NOT being rooted into the earth but living ON it that makes sense to me. If we were meant to have roots we'd be trees not human beings. I have never felt able to label myself English, Polish, Irish etc because those labels mean nothing to me. I respect the earth, its seasons, the sun, moon, planets and stars and I regard all THAT as my family. I have no destination in mind - I simply enjoy the journey. I think being a true Gypsy isn't about where anyone comes from or what colour their eyes are - I believe it's simply our true nature. When people move across the earth in quiet communion with it and all that is of it and around it, then we discover our true nature. When we settle for a short while to enjoy a particular spot we know that earth will welcome us for that time and bid us farewell when that time is over. Only when we begin en masse to put down roots deep into the earth and change its structure and fabric, I feel, then we are not living authentically. We are taking too much from one particular spot without giving it time to replenish itself and then we ourselves are becoming stagnant and lose something of our vibrancy and we then create ways of reliving the nomadic life ... eg - holidays, caravan sites, travel lodges ...

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Jun 9, 08, 06:26 #51
Guest: If we were meant to have roots we'd be trees I assume that's why you're only a guest here. Gotta keep movin' on!

Guest	Jun 9, 08, 23:49 #52
i am my name is kendyl condor my family name is really coondra but my great grandfather desided to americanize it when he moved to amerca

Guest

Jun 22, 08, 17:32 #53

Oh, ha same with me! I'm a European mutt. German, Austrian, Polish, and Russian on my father's side; and English, Welsh and French on my mother's.
I'm a Pagan Witch, I';m kinda practicing Shamanism, I've been called very bad names, people assume me to be a 'devil-worshipper' - which is reallllly untrue! They are so ignorant!
I feel I am part Romani (and the many other names), since my family has kind of a 'lost - past'. Nobody knows.
I do the 'dance requirements'. Turkish Romani, Arabic and Turkish bellydance, and Russian and Hungarian Romani dancing. And it didn't take me very long to learn.
Those are my reasons.
My last name doesn't sound exactly German to me. Nor does it to my family. So were all mixed up people.
~~)O(~~

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Jul 3, 08, 14:23 #54

From my understanding I am a decendant of Kashewbe (not sure if it is even spelled right). Which apparently is a region ( nicknamed maybe?) in Northern Poland.

They lived on the rivers banks and mostly fishermen.

My facts come from my dad, who doesn't seem to like to talk to much about his side of the family.

My grandfather and great-grandfather came from Poland to get away from the Holocaust.

I was told that if you were Polish and gypsy, they really had it out for you!

So like some of you out there, we search for answers...

If anyone out there knows more about our people, please let me know.

Please remember though there are good and bad out there!

Peace and much luv to you too!

VaFunkooloThreads: 7 Posts: 823 Joined: Mar 24, 08 ♂	Jul 3, 08, 14:26 #55
Kaszubia - a beautiful lake district in the north of Poland as you say

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Jul 3, 08, 21:10 #56

Ahhhh, so I have spelled it wrong... sorry...

What else do you know?

Now that I know how to spell it properly, I can google it!

Thank you!!

It is nice to know also from reading some of the other posts, that having a background of Wiccan or Pagan is also a part of me.

I am still learning, but see and know much more then the eye can catch...

My grandfather was gifted, but I think people shunned him.(Also the community was Roman Catholic) It is a shame about their ignorance, it is only what comes natural to some.

Ha! They must be jealous! Lol

VaFunkooloThreads: 7 Posts: 823 Joined: Mar 24, 08 ♂	Jul 4, 08, 04:43 #57
Kashewbe: What else do you know? Not a great deal Im afriad but the region has been talked about on and off on the forum so try doing a search maybe. Ive holidayed there - for me its a very beautiful part of Poland, full of cool forests and clear lakes, great for swimming and relaxing before a beer and a barbie :)

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,755 Joined: Jul 3, 08 ♂	Edited by: McCoy Jul 4, 08, 06:48 #58
from czech news portal: http://www.novinky.cz/clanek/143897-cesi-jsou-nejhorsi-v-evrope-ve-vzt ahu-k-romum.html Q: would you mind having gipsie neighbours? NO // YES Česká republika 9 : 47 Itálie 14 : 47 Slovensko 14 : 38 -slovakia Irsko 24 : 40 - ireland Průměr EU 36 : 24 - average in EU Francie 48 : 15 Švédsko 52 : 14 - sweden Polsko 58 : 12 source:Eurobarometr

I_cry4theGpsyie

Aug 1, 08, 05:39 #59

Why should a person work when they will always remain at the bottom rung of society, no matter how hard that person works? Here in Australia, a worker who tends not to fit the "White Anglo Saxon" image will find his hard work and initiative ignored or downplayed if it cannot be ignored. And his faults and mistakes will be held up to the brightest light as "evidence" of his inferiority. // On the other hand, a white anglo saxon employee with have his/her faults and mistakes kept quiet, and the smallest of triumphs puffed up ... Sure, there are non-white anglo saxons who make it, but they would tend to have worked many times harder, and have had to be many times luckier.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Aug 1, 08, 05:59 #60
Guest: Gypsy Roots hmm... something doesn't add up here ;)

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