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Polish nationality? Which of the following (if any) determine being Polish.


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NorthMancPolakThreads: 6
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 Sep 19, 10, 18:39    #181
PennBoy:
Blood most definitely. To be really Polish you gotta speak it


yes...

PennBoy:
you gotta think the way a Pole does


yes...

PennBoy:
you gotta look it


:(

Oh well... two out of three isn't bad! lol

smigly wilno  Sep 19, 10, 19:16    #182
I am PROUD of my Polish heritage.
I am PROUD that my father survivied not only Siberia, but all of the fighting he did with Drugi Korpus Wojska Polskiego; and moreso each time I hold his Medals in my hand.
I am PROUD that the country of Poland, that has been treated like a "snow globe", that has been torn apart, shaken, dissolved, and reborn again and again, is still breathing.
I am PROUD of the fight for freedom from Communist control; and moreso because it allowed my father to return home for the first time since 1940.
I am PROUD to see the economy of Poland remain resilient and vibrant while most of the rest of Europe quivers.
I read recently (and I cannot find the article to quote it) that people, all people, of Polish decent are the PROUDEST ethnic group.
So, I say to all of you......be PROUD to consider yourself POLSKA.

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Turn from those who try to harm you, but defend each other and hold each other close.
Shun the deviant, but cling to tradition.
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 Sep 19, 10, 19:48    #183
Too much pride makes people sick.
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 Sep 19, 10, 19:59    #184
Can't have been too proud of the rendition of the SSB last night at KSW 14, LOL. That was priceless!
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Edited by: Plastic Pole52  Sep 19, 10, 20:50    #185
PennBoy:
To be really Polish you gotta look it, speak it, think the way a Pole does.

How does a Pole look like?Elaborate please.
What is the way a Pole thinks?Do you reallly think 38 milions Poles look and think the same way?Now that's silly (to don't say dumb).
guesswho:
Too much pride makes people sick.

To much national pride is simply cheesy.
Seanus:
Can't have been too proud of the rendition of the SSB last night at KSW 14, LOL. That was priceless!

The fight was fixed.And even if it wasn't the only person who can be proud is Pudzian.I am so sick of Poles saying for example "WE beat the Turks at Vienna".WTF?None of them have been there at that time nor took a part in the battle.Besides how can someone be proud to be Polish,Dutch,American or whatever else?What kind of accomplishment it is?They must have nothing else to be proud of so tho they stick to this silly national pride like flies to a piece of crap.
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 Sep 19, 10, 20:59    #186
Plastic Pole52:
To much national pride is simply cheesy.

Priceless, coming from a Yank.
Plastic Pole52:
The fight was fixed.

Sore loser.
Plastic Pole52:
They must have nothing else to be proud of so tho they stick to this silly national pride like flies to a piece of crap.

US must be full of crap then.
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 Sep 19, 10, 21:01    #187
Polishness is a state of mind.
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Edited by: Plastic Pole52  Sep 19, 10, 21:05    #188
ShortHairThug:
Priceless, coming from a Yank.

I am not a Yank.I am being constantly told by Americans that now I am an American.I don't object since they just try to be nice but I am a gd Pole and always will be.
ShortHairThug:
Sore loser.

Who?
ShortHairThug:
US must be full of crap then.

True in the sense that they are (I am generalizing now)just too proud only of being born in the US but same goes for other nations too.
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 Sep 19, 10, 21:07    #189
Plastic Pole52:
I am being constantly told by Americans that now I am an American

They should just tell you you aren't very original instead.
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 Sep 19, 10, 21:13    #190
PlasticPole:
Polishness is a state of mind.

Oh yea?elaborate.
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 Sep 19, 10, 21:21    #191
smigly wilno:
I read recently (and I cannot find the article to quote it) that people, all people, of Polish decent are the PROUDEST ethnic group.


Pride comes before a fall and all that.
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 Sep 19, 10, 21:25    #192
Plastic Pole52:
Oh yea?elaborate.

If someone is convinced they are Polish then that's all that matters.
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 Sep 20, 10, 02:40    #193
PlasticPole:
If someone is convinced they are Polish then that's all that matters.

What if they are from Cambodia and have never been to Poland and have no ties to it?

PlasticPole:
Plastic Pole52
They should just tell you you aren't very original instead.

Lol.
smigly wilno  Sep 20, 10, 20:55    #194
I see too many young people so tuned into their "instant" world that have no interest in understanding what it took to get here. Their only connection to yesterday is their log of phone calls. They will begin to think that all their accomplishment and failures are new and unique, but they won't be.
I remain PROUD of what challenges each and everyone of our parents and grandparents faced and overcame. If you are not, then I feel sorry for you, for you are doomed to struggle and failure.

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 Sep 21, 10, 19:34    #195
smigly wilno
Very well said! (or quoted) I agree with you 100%!

Do not listen to those naysayers who chastise you for your pride. You have national pride, which is a very different kind of pride than that which "goeth before a fall." That kind of pride is defined as "a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority." (from Dictionary.com)

From your post #182, I read that you are proud of your Polish heritage, that your father survived Siberia and that he fought in the Polish army (not sure if that is the correct translation), that the country of Poland is still breathing, of the Polish fight for freedom from Communist control, and that the economy of Poland remains resilient and vibrant. You also say that you "remain PROUD of what challenges each and everyone of our parents and grandparents faced and overcame."

I do not read anywhere where you give a high opinion of your own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority. You are simply "proud to be Polska," one Polish person among many. Bravo! That, IMO, is the perfect kind of pride to have! :-)
smigly wilno  Sep 21, 10, 21:56    #196
BookOwl:
You are simply "proud to be Polska," one Polish person among many.


Finally, someone understands.
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 Sep 27, 10, 19:04    #197
Polonius3:
Which of the following (if any) determine being Polish:
-- blood (genetics, DNA)
-- place of birth and/or habitaiton
-- culture, religion and/or language
-- personal preference/declaration
-- all of the above
-- some of the above (which?)
-- none of the above
-- something else?


Blood?

I doubt it, as someone who is half Greek and half Polish I can tell you the nationalism is high in these countries but the blood isn't strong, nor is there an origin. Both were lands inhabited by tribes and overtime saw vast emigration and immigration, along with their borders disappearing and blending under countless empires. (Byzantium, Prussia, Russia, Austria, Roman, Ottoman- just to name a few). The blood is mixed, even though there are some genes which most Poles do hold in common which can be used as an identity. But don't expect to be homogeneous like Iceland, or Britain.

Place of birth?

While the place you are born DOES play a factor, with the culture you're taught into, the society you're brought up in, your first nurtured/learned language indeed would play a big implement into being brought up Polish, along with getting a Polish education. While it would be wrong to deny Polish-American their ethnicity, more and more of Polish Americans are speaking the language less and knowing the culture and history less as they blend into the corporatist monoculture of the American melting pot...which I think is sad...

Culture, religion, language?

Culture and language of course. Someone who speaks Polish clearly has a strong interest in the country and is most likely Polish since Polish isn't so much a universal language like French or English, and of course culture plays a big role. But again anyone can pick these things up and not have any heritage, but in terms of Poland (which isn't like Japan or France) most people who speak the language and celebrate the culture are Polish. After all 98% of Poland considers themselves ethnic Poles. As for religion, Catholicism exists everywhere and in terms of culture I think it belongs more to Italy...

Personal reference?

Well if someone truly doesn't want to be Polish to the point where they deny their own heritage, then why would you want them on the train? Better to have a foreigner who loves Poland. But yes if someone does have heritage I think that is enough to make the declaration that they are Polish, regardless is they don't speak the language or culture (in my opinion that would make them less Polish, but that is debatable). However, for a foreigner to just wake up and say it? No. Maybe if they were citizens, had family, lived there for a long time and spoke the language.

Something else?

Yes, they MUST drink wódka. ;-) jking....lol
smigly wilno  Sep 27, 10, 19:31    #198
George8600:
Something else?

Yes, they MUST drink wódka. ;-) jking....lol



Not only drink wódka, but must LOVE wódka.......along with Krupnik.....LOL! TOGETHER!!!
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 Sep 28, 10, 17:19    #199
delphiandomine:
The worst thing is that I'd say that being American is something to be proud of. I cannot understand why they so desperately want to be something else - what's wrong with being from a strong, proud country with proud traditions and a fairly interesting history, along with a huge amount of diversity?


It is not that we want to be something else. It is that we are proud of where we came from. I mean if I could trace my roots back 300 years or more in America and my family grew up and was part of that interesting history you spoke of than perhaps I would be more inclined to say I am only American. My family is only second generation living in America. I still have relatives in Poland I keep in contact with. I can trace my families history much further in Poland than I can in the Usa. I teach my children where they came from. I don't want them to forget.
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 Sep 29, 10, 05:00    #200
markskibniewski:

It is not that we want to be something else. It is that we are proud of where we came from. I mean if I could trace my roots back 300 years or more in America and my family grew up and was part of that interesting history you spoke of than perhaps I would be more inclined to say I am only American. My family is only second generation living in America. I still have relatives in Poland I keep in contact with. I can trace my families history much further in Poland than I can in the Usa. I teach my children where they came from. I don't want them to forget.



Move to Poland. Learn the language. Eat the food. Contribute to Polish Society. Poland needs people like you. They're asking for people to return, someone mentioned that Poland is offering people money to open businesses in Poland. Reading the posts on this forum convinces me that you can make a go of it economically in Poland.


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