Polish Romani (gypsy) surnames

lecount1973	Oct 31, 09, 17:00 #1
I'm curious as to whether anyone has a list or knows of any common Gypsy or Romani surnames from Poland, specifically Begitka Carpathian Roma. Thank you for any information.

lecount1973	Edited by: Moderator Oct 31, 09, 20:55 #2
I'm curious as to whether anyone has a list or knows of any common Gypsy or Romani surnames from Poland, specifically Bergitka Carpathian Roma. Thank you for any information. no need to bump the post.

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Oct 31, 09, 21:42 #3

Unfortunately, Gypsy onomastics is not my speciality, but I thinjk it’s safe to say that like Jews, many Gypsies picked up names from the countries they lived in. Bergitka Roma from the Carpathian Mts tended to have names of Hungarian origin such as Gabor or highlander names (Dunka, Mirga, Siwak). Lowland Gypsies tended to have Polish names including Majewski, Pawłowski and Paczkowski. The Kełderasza Gypsies (from the Romanian word caldarar for pot-maker) produced Gypsy kings in the between-the-wars period including Janusz Kwiek. One of the best-known Polish Gypsy poets was Jerzy Ficowski (1942-2006).

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Nov 1, 09, 12:47 #4

Polonius3:

One of the best-known Polish Gypsy poets was Jerzy Ficowski (1942-2006).

Not quite right:

Jerzy Ficowski (October 4, 1924, Warsaw - May 9, 2006, Warsaw) was a Polish poet, writer and translator (from Yiddish, Russian and Romani). (Wikipedia)

He discovered and translated into Polish the poetry of Papusza, a Gypsy poetess, who was subsequently shunned and exiled by other Roma for "revealing secrets to the Gajos". But AFAIK, he was not of Romani extraction himself.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Nov 1, 09, 17:29 #5
Thanks for settign the record straight.

kallopThreads: - Posts: 3 Joined: Jan 1, 10 ♀	Feb 14, 10, 15:53 #6
I am pretty sure my ancestors were Polish Roma. Their name was Kallop or Kallap which I am told is Hungarian. They were Polish-speaking, and my mtDNA is identified with Polish Romani population. Any guesses whether this surname could be Polish Romani?

Crystalsh

Mar 22, 10, 14:45 #7

Another Romani-Polish surname question-- did the Romani combine their words with polish suffix endings to create an assimilated surname? The "trin" in the surname Trinowski appears to have no other etymology in any language other than the Romani word for "three". There seems not to be a location called "Trinow" in Poland, though there is a "Trino" in Italy. There was one reference online that someone posted that their Polish name was "Trojanowski" and was changed to "Trinowski" in the US. Thanks in advance for any linguistic possibilities for this.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Mar 22, 10, 22:00 #8
Polish (and not only Polish) immigrants coming to the US often shortened theri names. Eg Kowal from Kowalewicz, Kolodziej (possibly respelt Kolojay) from Kołodziejczak, etc. It is not inconceivable that some Roma might have done the same, but I don't believe that to be a uniquely Roma tendency.

Crystalsh	Mar 23, 10, 16:32 #9
Do you have any suggestion then regarding this combination of "trin" + "owski" or "trinow" + "ski". Does it appear to be name originating in Poland? Thanks, Polonius3 for all your knowledge and help!

Polskiej_DumyThreads: 26 Posts: 69 Joined: Oct 8, 09 ♂	May 8, 10, 23:33 #10
my last name is Wajda which in Polish is "leader of the Gypsies" does this mean i have Gypsy ancestors?

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	May 9, 10, 19:02 #11
WAJDA: traceable to one of 2 different sources: 1) Polish phonetic spelling of the German word Weide (meadow); 2) leader of the Walachian (Romanian) shepherds. You may be confusing Romani (Gipsies) with Romanians, becasue the similarity is coincidental.

travelop	May 9, 10, 19:17 #12
is name wojdolowicz gypsy name

noona	May 15, 10, 17:54 #13
Has anyone heard of the name Stepovikov or Eustratova/Elestratova [spelling??]? My father was from Rowno, Vohlyn region Ukraine. His family had to leave their country after WWII and go to Australia. His mother used to refer to herself as a wonderer. Am trying to start research into family history. Thanks.

przenicznyThreads: - Posts: 2 Joined: Sep 17, 11 ♂	Sep 17, 11, 18:53 #14
Try these web sites stowarzyszenie.romowie.net/ (only Polish I'm afraid) romowie.com (Polish English Roma) Janusz Przeniczny UK

Sukowicz	Nov 25, 11, 15:12 #15
czigany or cziganetski is describe as Gypsy in POLISH language regions

Georgewicz	Feb 17, 12, 18:21 #16
Is the name Georgewicz of gypsy origin?

Shashi73Threads: - Posts: 1 Joined: May 16, 12 ♀	May 16, 12, 21:18 #17
Jurczyk was my great grand mothers name. My great Aunt told me this name & then got frustrated when I further inquired. I have found out over the years my great grandmother had children and a family in Poland, she left them and started a new family with my great grandfather (Moski, also from Poland) here in the United States. Any help would be much appreciated =)

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