SEARCHING FOR A RUSSIAN FATHER.....where to begin....

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Jun 7, 11, 02:18 #1

During the weekend i was talking to a lovely Polish girl who i met along with her husband and small child by the lakeside....

They were admiring my Harley , so i let them and their friends take some pics of the kids on the bike....and they kindly invited me to join them for a gril...

Anyways , when i got talking to them i discovered the girl has been searching for the father she has never seen , a Russian soldier involved in a romance with a Polish girl , who chose to vanish over the horizon when the Polish girl informed him she was pregnant....

We know the name of this Russian soldier , we know he was stationed at the Russian military camp in Borno sullinovo , and we know he was from Moscow.... Obviously my Russian girlfriend in Moscow is going to be helpfull here...

Can anyone suggest where i can find out what Russian units were at Borno sullinovo...i know there were mobile nuclear launchers there , but maybe other units too...???

This girl wants very much to know who her father was , and maybe even meet him if he is still alive , she is aware that he may not want to meet her , but i guess she has to find out....

I would like to help her.. any suggestions.....?

MeowmeowThreads: 7 Posts: 96 Joined: Jun 6, 10 ♀	Edited by: Meowmeow Jun 7, 11, 02:21 #2
Rover....it's okay kinda obvious you're the one searching for your father...good luck (((hugs)))

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,440 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jun 7, 11, 02:25 #3
wildrover: a Russian soldier involved in a romance with a Polish girl , who chose to vanish over the horizon when the Polish girl informed him she was pregnant.... Maybe he didn't vanish, but left with the rest of the Soviet barracks from Borne Sulinowo in 1992?

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Jun 7, 11, 02:29 #4
Meowmeow: Rover....it's okay kinda obvious you're the one searching for your father...good luck Nooo My dad is a Yorkshireman and was in the British army not the Russian one.... And i know exactly where he is.... in a nice new house he has bought in Scarborough Yorkshire....

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Jun 7, 11, 20:27 #5

Looks like you have impossible task ahead of you indeed. Not much is known about the place as it was top secret Soviet military base about which even Polish authorities were kept in the dark. As to organization and identity of the Soviet units stationing there you won’t find much in Polish sources and I very much doubt you’ll find anything in Russian either unless you knew exactly the unit he served at. What’s known is that the garrison there was part of the Northern Group. At the time of withdraw this group was under the command of gen. Wiktor Dubynin and his deputy gen. Anatolij Łopata – later on deputy defiance minister of Ukraine, prior to that period it was restructured couple of times. Even Kuklińskis’ report given to CIA back in 81 contained only partial information about this place, only an estimate number of troops and equipment. The last officer in command of this garrison was gen. Władimir Bułhakow, he was the commander of the 6th-Nowogrodzko Witebsko Mechanized Guard Division. Borno Sullinovo itself was the greatest concentration of Soviet ground forces stationed in Poland, there was a division stationed there, two mechanized regiments, battalion of tanks, artillery regiment, antiaircraft artillery, battalion of sappers, medical, reconnaissance, operational-tactical missiles brigade, supply depot, etc., all together about 25,000 personnel on 18,000 ha. of land.

As an added piece of trivia for you, the rumor has it that this was the last battle ground between Polish and Soviet forces in the late 50’s. The Soviets were confiscating live stock from the local villagers as their food supplies were iffy and the local villagers armed themselves to take them on at which point Polish army stationed at Szczecinek joined the local population and the armed skirmish supposedly took place at the village of Krągi.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 7, 11, 20:49 #6

It was the Soviet 15th Guards Division which was stationed there....

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After the war, the area of two military bases and the town itself was taken by the Red Army. There the Soviet military established one of the biggest military camps of the Northern Group of Forces. The town was excluded from Polish jurisdiction and erased from all maps, even though officially part of the People's Republic of Poland. In official documents of the surrounding communes, the area of former Gross-Born and the surrounding 180 km² were called forest areas and remained a secret for almost 50 years. and after World War II it remained in Soviet hands, as a military base.

Following the peaceful change of political system in Poland in 1989, an agreement was finally reached to withdraw the occupying Red Army from Poland. The last of the large Russian units, the 15,000 men strong Soviet 15th Guards Division (then renamed to Vitebsk-Novgorod Division of the Russian Federation) was withdrawn from Borne Sulinowo in October 1992. The town became a part of Poland...

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Jun 7, 11, 21:06 #7

It may be an impossible task to find this guy , and even if we find him he could of course want nothing to do with the girl , or even deny he is the father... A blood test would prove it of course , but if he only takes one when forced to it won,t make his relationship with his long lost Polish daughter any better....

Thanks for the information guys , i will pass it on to My Russian girlfriend and she will first try the Russian social networking sites and the ex military meeting sites...

It would be great to help this girl find her dad....whatever the result....

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 7, 11, 21:14 #8

There won't be many chances if they stay true to their past behavior. But times might have changed there too...

When in East Germany such things happened the culprit was spirited away, far away to another post in the vast empire...and no contact allowed even if wanted.

Your friend should find out where this unit was relocated to after leaving Poland. Most officers got to retire in the near in newly build communities. There must be something official there, a mayor or so...she will need russian to ask people there....

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂	Jun 7, 11, 21:20 #9
The Russian soldier did come back to his Polish girlfriend after she told him she was pregnant , he wanted to give her money to get rid of the baby , which she refused... He made another visit to her later , but apparently she told him to get lost...

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06 ♀	Jun 13, 11, 02:46 #10
wildrover: He made another visit to her later , but apparently she told him to get lost... Sad thing to happen.. I hope she finds her father.

TopEagle	Jun 13, 11, 03:48 #11
IF u do find get his DNA even from the glass of drink he drank or used underwear:) and get it tested and you have the answer to the riddle

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Jun 13, 11, 05:18 #12
TopEagle: IF u do find get his DNA even from the glass of drink he drank or used underwear:) and get it tested and you have the answer to the riddle Topeagle, do you honestly believe that some Poles are slovenly enough to have not washed their glasses in 20 years or Germanic enough to have saved soiled underpants for two decades too?

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