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Wiedzmin_fanThreads: 2 Posts: 133 Joined: May 31, 10 ♂	May 7, 11, 05:02 #91
Ogien: You call us racists yet you partake in this discussion. ******* idiot... well, it's okay to talk about phenotypes and genetic makeup. and about cultures. but it's not OK to talk about the "white" thing. it's a social construct that is used for "othering", kinda like "us" vs. "them". not cool.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09 ♂	May 7, 11, 07:35 #92
Wiedzmin_fan: about the "white" thing. it's a social construct Only liberals who attempt to neuter language believe that skin color is a "social construct". It's in the DNA making it a natural fact. Abuse of this terminology is exemplified in feminist literature which states that gender is a "social construct".

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	May 7, 11, 07:57 #93
Black Slavs are extremely rare.

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Edited by: Antek_Stalich May 7, 11, 09:06 #94

Wiedzmin_fan:

Dude, if you are talking about Ryuriki/Varyagi, there weren't that many of them to make a (genetic) difference. Culturally - yes, they pretty much founded Russia. Linguistically, too (I recently learned that there are many russian words that are actually norsk in origin, like "lavka", or "lar'", or "knut"... so weird... ) But other than that? Nope.

I meant Varangians, yes. It has stunned me how many ethnic Russians are blond, blue-eyed types. You don't get so many of such type in Poland. My point however is the Polish are rather a mixture of different nations/genes due to geographical location and historical events (such as wars, migration of nations, etc.) My Mum born at the former Romanian border had black hair and brown eyes. My Warsaw born Dad was dark blonde/blue-grey eyes. I'm dark blond/grey eyes/black facial hair and eyebrows.

All the discussion is however pointless when we start asking the question who really the Silesian are ;-)

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May 7, 11, 11:55 #95

slavia
East Slavs don't look very different than West Slavs.

Russians are not really mixed with Tatar in statistical amounts. No Slavs are.

Rather opposite that Tatars generally got mixed with Slavic.

But Russians did assimilate massive amounts of FInno-Ugric & Baltic people giving Russians a high level of N1c1c haplogroup like Finland has.

I guess the Question is are Finns white?

Finns are the lightest Europeans & the Closest to Cro Magnons. But on the other hand Finns have a Language closer to Turkic & Mongolian than to Indo European
& Finnish N Haplogroup is related to the O Haplogroup of the Chinese

To me Western Europeans are the ones who are not white if anything.

Go look up the First Man in England the Cheddar man 9,000 yrs ago he looked like alot of Ukrainians & Russians & Some Poles

Truth is Western Europeans look alot like people from North Africa! Alot of Western Europeans have curley hair & flat noses especially in the British Isles!

South Slavs actually have morE european features than do Western Europeans.

Alot of South Slavs arE dinaric
Well the 14,000 yr old Chancelade Man in France had similar features to Dinarics.
As did the 38,000 yr old Konstenki Cro Magnon from Ukraine

The only Cro Magnons that look like Western Europeans are the Mechta Afalou Cro Magnon from North Africa & Spain!

Alot of Western Europeans do look like North Africans! Especially Redheads! Most Redheads have Curley hair & Flat noses! Redheads look alot like Albinos from Africa.
Red hair may even be considered Albinism as Redhair is one trait that causes ghost white skin & light eyes.

Unlike Blonde hair & Blue eyes which are seperate traits which is why alot of Slavs & Scandanavians can have Blonde hair & Blue eyes & still be able to tan well sometimes.

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May 7, 11, 19:41 #96

This is a very fascinating topic (though I still don't agree with the underlying "white-nonwhite" dichotomy - it makes no sense at all).

Here's a genetic analysis chart:
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/3260/neuk4.png (from http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/ )

Notice how close are the Poles to Belarussians and to central Russians. And the northern Russians have a big chunk of Finnish genes (which explains the blondes).

Who cares what "white" even means. We are what we are. Deal with it!

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May 10, 11, 06:06 #97

The opposite of “White” is not “Black” when racial categories are being discussed. Although not being “White” is clearly to be identified as part of some other race. When someone says a “Polack can do work that would kill a white man” there is definitely ascription of some distinct “racial” characteristics. E.O. Ross, one of America’s leading sociologists who was a contemporary of the African American who thought “Polacks ain’t white” described Polish and Slavic coalminers (perhaps including my grandfather who was there at the time) as “hirsute, low browed men” of “obviously low intelligence”. . . “Beaten men of beaten breeds”. Sounds like an inferior race to me.

Benjamin Franklin who parsed racial categories as deftly many of our fellow posters, concluded that “Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes are generally of what we call a swarthy complexion as are Germans also, the Saxons only accepted (sic) who with the English make the principal body of White People on the Face of the Earth.” The Germans, he concluded, “will never adopt our language or customs, any more than they can acquire our complexion.”

It was in Franklin’s time thanks to effort to create human taxonomies people by like Linnaeus, that skin color – one of the most mutable and insignificant human characteristics - acquired its role a key marker of human difference. People like Franklin, Madison Grant, William Z. Ripley then established human hierarchies based on it

The greatest diversity among people is among Africans themselves since Africa is the source of our human species and we developed there the longest. Given the small and select stream of Africans who immigrated out of the continent to become the ancestors of all of the rest of the populations of the world, it is very likely that any Chinese, Malay, Iranian or Swede is genetically closer to any given African than that African is to any of his fellow Africans.

Since our primate cousins – the great apes – have lightly pigmented or unpigmented skin beneath their heavy coat of hair scientists have suggested that our original human ancestors were probably “White” and had to become darker as they became less hirsute (“The Naked Ape”) to adapt to the environment of equatorial Africa.

See: Nina Jablonski, Ph.D., Skin A Natural History

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May 10, 11, 06:59 #98

routro66:

it is very likely that any Chinese, Malay, Iranian or Swede is genetically closer to any given African than that African is to any of his fellow Africans.

except for that neanderthal DNA:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703686304575228380902037 988.html
non-africans trace up to 4% of their genome from neanderthals

also, really - africans are further apart from each other than from the non-africans? sounds wrong (mathematically speaking).

PolskiMocThreads: 7 Posts: 488 Joined: Mar 15, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	May 11, 11, 08:45 #99
routro66 Actually a White person is more likely to be related to an Asian than to a half White half African Mulatto. That is how far Africans are spaced from Non Whites. Saying a Swede is as likely to be related to a Bushman or Australian Aboriginal than to another Swede is just non sense. That is Liberal propaganda.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	May 11, 11, 20:38 #100
True enough, PMoc, but remember that many blacks were introduced into the Swedish populace a long time ago. Martin Dahlin was a surprise for me. As for the thread, I've already answered that Slavs vary in colour. There is no denying that but the overwhelming majority are white.

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May 31, 11, 06:20 #101

PennBoy:

Those square heads that many Poles have (flat in the back) are clearly not of European origin.

Some Europeans including Slavs & ALpines have more flattened rear to the skull than Asians, Arabs, Africans ect.

The flattening to the rear is actually a more modern skull.(It is called Brachycephalic) Typically Slavs & Central Europeans, Balkaners & the French are more Flat headed / Brachycephalic than are Asians.

Neanderthals, Negroids, Australoids, Homo Erectus typically had a huge bulge of primitive brain to the rear.

So as humans have evolved to gain a more flattened skull to the rear.

Some Western Europeans use the Flat head as an insult.

But, IT is a compliment. It is actually saying we are more evolved! I agree.

The reason why Western Europeans probably think Flat head is an insult because alot of Western Europeans have very primitive pointy skulls to the rear much like Negroids do with alot of Primitive brain sticking out the rear.

This to me explains it all. Negroids typically talk about things without facts. I notice alot of Western Europeans also do.

So, I think it is of your primitive pointy skulls to the rear why Western Euros typically talk with emotions rather than facts.

nic30	May 31, 11, 06:44 #102
PolskiMoc: So, I think it is of your primitive pointy skulls to the rear why Western Euros typically talk with emotions rather than facts. I wonder if that is the reason some people scratch the back of their heads while they think.

legendThreads: 9 Posts: 819 Joined: Apr 23, 11 ♂	May 31, 11, 06:58 #103
Im a Slav and if you saw me you would think im the whitest person on earth. I would think the majority of slavs are 'white' but there has been a lot of mixes.

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Jun 1, 11, 02:55 #104

nic30:

I wonder if that is the reason some people scratch the back of their heads while they think.

Aboriginal Australian skull vs Slav skull

http://jehovahs-witnesses-headlines.net/images/aboriginal.vs.slav.skul l.jpg

Neanderthal skull vs Cro Magnon

http://www.erichufschmid.net/Neanderthals/Neanderthal-and-Cro-Magnon-s kulls.jpg

Notice how the more primitive skulls Aboriginals & Neanderthals are much more long to the rear than to the rear.

Anthropologists state that skulls more long to the rear are more primitive & closer to apes.

So, Calling a SLav a flathead is a compliment.

I don't know I scratch the top of my head when I think not the back LOL

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Jun 2, 11, 06:39 #105

PolskiMoc:

Anthropologists state that skulls more long to the rear are more primitive & closer to apes.

That's why I had the back of my head cut off. Now, I look more slavic.

PolskiMoc:

So, Calling a SLav a flathead is a compliment.

True, unless the flathead is also a pinhead.

PolskiMoc:

I don't know I scratch the top of my head when I think

That helps stimulate brain neurons but the side effects include; the head scracher breaking out into uncontrollable dancing, usually the jitterbug.

dyslexic	Jun 2, 11, 07:41 #106
Hasn't slavery been outlawed?

Dragana	Nov 21, 11, 20:57 #107
Then I have a problem ,I'm blond ,and I have Blue eyes ..and also I'm Serbian 100%......lot of Serbs ,are light brown ,with blue or green eyes....

ReservoirDog	Nov 21, 11, 21:09 #108
Then I have a problem ,I'm blond ,and I have Blue eyes ..and also I'm Serbian 100%......lot of Serbs ,are light brown ,with blue or green eyes.... What problem?? Serbs are slavs and everyone who disagree is di.wit.

Gary GrzelakThreads: 1 Posts: 23 Joined: Jul 13, 11 ♂	Jan 9, 12, 21:59 #109
Slavs are white you idiot!

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Jan 9, 12, 22:02 #110
Gary Grzelak: Slavs are white you idiot! unless they are black ;)

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