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BabylonThreads: 28
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Did you try to get Polish citizenship due to your Grandparents?

I have no connection with Ukrainians but I know my father's grandmother was a Ukrainian so I could probably have Ukrainian citizenship. So I will ask no connected Americans, and others try to get citizenship and passport?
telefonitika  Feb 6, 07, 10:19    #2
Quoting: Babylon, Post #1
Did you try to get Polish citizenship due to your Grandparents?


I am researching this further before trying to apply for it Babylon as i am trying to get more information on Zigmunt Tarasiewicz
BabylonThreads: 28
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Joined: Oct 9, 06 ♂ 		 Feb 9, 07, 14:05    #3
If you can manage to get it, it is a proof of your descent - your fatherland.
telefonitika  Feb 9, 07, 15:14    #4
Quoting: Babylon
If you can manage to get it, it is a proof of your descent - your fatherland


well i am obtaining the marriage cert and the death cert's of both margaret and zigmunt tarasiewicz .. margaret is my dad's mum

so when i get them i will take it from there
BabylonThreads: 28
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Joined: Oct 9, 06 ♂ 		 Feb 9, 07, 15:44    #5
So really try to get a Polish citizenship and when you will have It and got children make them will play for Polish football national team, not like Podolski, Klose (they rejected Poland and choose Germany)
telefonitika  Feb 9, 07, 16:24    #6
Quoting: Babylon
got children make them will play for Polish football national team


my daughter prefers to play hockey and horse ride

Quoting: Babylon
try to get a Polish citizenship


hope to
thomon16  Feb 13, 07, 21:48    #7
Recently, I emailed the Polish Embassy in the U.S. regarding this very question. Here
is their response:


In reply to your e-mail regarding the question of eligibility for
the
Polish citizenship, please be advised that many people of Polish
descent ask
about valid claims to Polish citizenship.

However, the issue is of complicated nature. Since our law provides
for
the so called "blood" type of citizenship, it is possible even for
third
generation to successfully claim the right to Polish passport. The only
question that remains is whether one's descendants were able to pass
Polish
citizenship to their offspring in a consecutive manner.

The main principle of our law was and still is the exclusiveness of
Polish nationality. Polish law does not recognize dual citizenship of
its
citizens. While current Polish law does not forbid Polish citizens from
becoming the citizens of a foreign state by birth or naturalization,
Polish
authorities shall recognize that citizens as a Polish citizen only. A
Polish
citizen may acquire foreign citizenship with a full effect under Polish
law
once he/she receives a permission to renounce Polish citizenship
granted by
the President of the Republic of Poland. Unfortunately, it was not
always
like that. When Poland regained independence in 1918 we had to cope
with a
difficult task to make one state from three partition zones,
accommodating
many minorities as well. That fact was behind the very restrictive
Citizenship Act of 1920. It's provisions were upheld also by March
Constitution of 1921. That law which was in effect until January 1951
provided for automatic loss of Polish citizenship in case of foreign
naturalization or service in a foreign armed forces. In practical
terms,
those who emigrated and get naturalized under that law could not pass
citizenship to their children.

If the ancestors who came to the United States were born while
Poland
did not existed, before Poland regained independence in 1918, it means
that
they came to the United States as Polish nationals, but not Polish
citizens.

Since the citizenship is a sort of an artificial concept, it is
sometimes
difficult to understand why people who emigrated from Poland under
partitions had not been considered Polish citizens. However, as Poland
did
not existed as a state at that time, those Poles who traveled to
America,
traveled there as citizens of Germany, Austria and Russia.

Taking the above into consideration such ancestors could not pass
Polish
citizenship to their children because they were not Polish citizens
themselves.

According to Polish Citizens Act of 1920 only people who lived on
territory
of Poland in 1920 and not being citizens of other country could be
recognized as Polish citizens.

Under the law of 1962 the President of the Republic of Poland can grant
Polish citizenship, but an alien is eligible to apply for the
citizenship,
only in case he or she has resided in Poland as a lawful permanent
resident
for the period of at least 5 years. The granting of the citizenship can
be a
subject to submission of evidence of the loss or renunciation of
foreign
citizenship.

Sincerely,

Consular Division
Embassy of Poland in Washington D.C.
krysiaThreads: 26
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Wow. I guess that answers that.
King SobieskiThreads: 7
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so, both of my fathers parents were born in what is now known as belarus, and my mums dad was born in actual poland and her mum in what is now belarus.

would this entitle me grounds for a Polish passport?

my friend has applied for a polish passport nearly 3 years ago and seems has been held up/lost with the german authorities.
BabylonThreads: 28
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This really sucks! So "the right of blood" really did not exist? Well I guess "Karta Polaka" or something like that was talk when Polish president was in US.

Karta Polaka da przywileje rodakom zza granicy
PAP 03:50

Rząd kończy prace nad projektem ustawy o Karcie Polaka - legitymacji dla rodaków mieszkających poza krajem. Dzięki niej Polacy będą mogli łatwiej niż dotąd odwiedzać ojczyznę, osiedlać się w niej lub studiować - zapowiada "Życie Warszawy".

Rządowy projekt ustawy jest już w fazie nieformalnych konsultacji międzyresortowych - ujawnia dziennikowi doradca premiera ds. Polonii i Polaków za granicą Michał Dworczyk.

Zgodnie z projektem, wszyscy rodacy, którzy mieszkają poza granicami kraju - a nie mają polskiego obywatelstwa - będą mogli starać się o specjalną legitymację: Kartę Polaka. By ją otrzymać, będą musieli dowieść polskiego pochodzenia.

Jakie przywileje wiązałyby się z posiadaniem Karty Polaka? Na razie szczegóły objęte są tajemnicą. Nieoficjalnie gazeta dowiedziała się jednak, że Karta dawałaby prawo do nauki i studiów w ojczyźnie na równi z Polakami, przywilej bezpłatnego wstępu do muzeów i - co najważniejsze dla rodaków mieszkających za wschodnią granicą - ułatwienie w otrzymaniu wiz wjazdowych do Polski.

Uproszczenie procedury wizowej to i tak bardzo dużo. Zdajemy sobie sprawę z tego, że na całkowite zniesienie wiz nie mamy co liczyć. W końcu Polska przystępuje w przyszłym roku do układu Schengen, co niesie za sobą zaostrzenie polityki imigracyjnej - komentuje na łamach "Życia Warszawy" prezes Związku Polaków na Ukrainie Stanisław Kostecki.

Dzięki Karcie Polakom bez obywatelstwa łatwiej będzie też wyegzekwować konstytucyjny przepis dający im prawo do osiedlania się w ojczyźnie przodków. (PAP)
BabylonThreads: 28
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Quoting: King Sobieski
would this entitle me grounds for a Polish passport?


For sure you will get "Karta Polaka" "Polish Card, Card of Pole" what gives you opportunity to settle in Poland in easy way, to study in Poland on the same rights as Poles from Poland. But this is not a citizenship.
King SobieskiThreads: 7
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Quoting: Babylon
For sure you will get "Karta Polaka" "Polish Card, Card of Pole" what gives you opportunity to settle in Poland in easy way, to study in Poland on the same rights as Poles from Poland. But this is not a citizenship.


I am not looking for citizenship, just a European Passport so that it is easier when i travel around Europe in the future.

It is my understanding that because my dad's dad was born in what is now belarus and the german's currently hold any paperwork regarding their birth/marriage details that it would be very hard to get a Polish passport. Does anyone know if this is true?
Patrycja19Threads: 79
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I have a Question on that, as my grandmother was still citizen of Poland, she
never became naturalized ( my moms mother) I have her green card still
and it says on it citizen of poland, she had to report and sign afadavits and have
people write letters for her that when she came, what her purpose was in the
states, how long shes been here.

so she never gave that up. but my two grandfathers did. and my other grandma
was automatically granted citizenship due to marrying my grandpa.
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I don't have experience with poland, but in most european countries, there is a subjective factor to this as well. As in what you have to bring to the country. You ususally have a better chance if you are a professional with a stable work history and would have good opportunities for employment. Logically, it's prefered to have forgieners who have something to bring to the country, than people who may end up adding to the unemployment and taking from the system.
BabylonThreads: 28
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Joined: Oct 9, 06 ♂ 		 Feb 15, 07, 08:27    #15
Quoting: Patrycja19
I have a Question on that, as my grandmother was still citizen of Poland, she
never became naturalized ( my moms mother) I have her green card still
and it says on it citizen of poland, she had to report and sign afadavits and have
people write letters for her that when she came, what her purpose was in the
states, how long shes been here.



You can read the email above, I think that if your grandmother is a citizen of Poland you are also, and you can get passport and polish ID easily
Patrycja19Threads: 79
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Quoting: Babylon
You can read the email above, I think that if your grandmother is a citizen of Poland you are also, and you can get passport and polish ID easily


That is what confused me, its saying that before 1920. she came in 1914, but
remained citizen of poland on her card the last time she renewed it I will have to check
that cause there was all kinds of paperwork she had to fill out during WWII because
she was alien they made her report as did everyone else who was not American
citizen.

but she never went back to poland either.

so I could use this to get it, but you have to be citizen for 5 years in poland.
least that is what I am understanding from the above post.
BabylonThreads: 28
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In 1914 there was no independent Polish State, so She had to have documents from occupied authorities (that comes from the email I think). Well try to ask and write all documents you have to me this must be good enough. And remember as a American you are not a part of a Nation State (they are in Europe). All Americans are descenders of Europeans, so citizenship tells about you, it's a proof and could be useful to your children who knows if USA in 2060 still will be a world superpower, or maybe there will be better in Poland?
Patrycja19Threads: 79
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Quoting: Babylon
it's a proof and could be useful to your children who knows if USA in 2060 still will be a world superpower, or maybe there will be better in Poland?


you have a point there
BabylonThreads: 28
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Joined: Oct 9, 06 ♂ 		 Feb 15, 07, 09:18    #19
This could be true. I heard about a prophecy about Civil War in USA (That Black peoples want to take control over country or race-civil-war), and of course natural disasters, and Poland is going up - so in 2060 Poland could be better (of course if Russia and Germany will not stop us)
Patrycja19Threads: 79
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Quoting: Babylon
I heard about a prophecy about Civil War in USA


Im not sure on that, I know what I had seen on Prophecy, they said it was
supposed to be a man from the middle east who starts it. well. thats already

happened. there is so much about that, its hard to even know who/which direction
you think our future will go.
BabylonThreads: 28
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The only one man responsible for War is BUSH
Sindabear  Feb 23, 07, 03:51    #22
I am a Canadian living in Germany. Both my parents were born in Poland (although became Canadian citizens when they moved to Canada in 1955) and I would like to obtain a Polish Passport to make some travel arrangements easier for me (since Poland is now part of the EU). Is this possible/difficult to do? How/where do I start?
Grzegorz_Threads: 81
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Quoting: Sindabear
Is this possible


No.
lefThreads: 13
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Joined: Jun 27, 06 ♂ 		 Feb 23, 07, 20:18    #24
Quoting: Grzegorz_
No.



Are you sure, both my parents were born in Poland and I have a Polish passport!
Patrycja19Threads: 79
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Quoting: Babylon
You can read the email above, I think that if your grandmother is a citizen of Poland you are also, and you can get passport and polish ID easily


ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh retrobution Sweet retrobution, am I spelling this right?

ha, dont even know if I am saying it right. Dictionary please!
Patrycja19Threads: 79
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Quoting: Patrycja19
retrobution Sweet retrobution, am I spelling this right?


Retribution!!

Where the O came from I havent a clue!

Yes, sedzia, it is possible to have citizenship and not live in poland. weve had
this discussion before, and yes I was a bit frustrated, but I am over it now

it dont matter what I am, my heart is with my roots which is Polish, and I have
family there now , and could easily get a plane ticket (not that I can afford to go
and go live with them get a job there, etc. so yes, I do have family ties (close)

as for strange, what is so strange about getting upset because threads keep
repeating themselfs? I find it a bit strange that folks dont stop to read and
do searches on the subjects.
JuJu  Apr 11, 07, 14:18    #27
Hi,

I am an australia citizen, who's grandparents came to australia in 1949 due to war. I am in the process of applying for my confirmation of possession or loss of citizenship.

Just wondering if anyone could advise me o what my chances are in obtaining polish citizenship and if anyone has gone through this process, how long did it take?
erich  Sep 9, 07, 22:21    #28
So my Grandfather fled Poland with his Brother in 1916 or 1917 I think. He was born in Poland in 1900. As I understand it he didn't leave by choice but by necessity as he was a jew. (the dates may be slightly off ) He settled in USA and became a US citizen.
I would like to claim my Polish Citizenship based on his circumstances. Is this possible?
I understand that refugees of war are seen differently than someone who left by choice.
Any thoughts?
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Joined: Sep 8, 07 ♂ 		 Sep 9, 07, 23:35    #29
This is all crazy news to me...
There is a chance I could claim citizenship in Poland, thanks to my grandfather, even though I've never even been there?
Interesting. Might be useful someday, I guess. If nothing than to reconnect with roots and try to figure where my family came from.
Guest  Sep 10, 07, 02:41    #30
Hi JohnP

Thats what I have done,

My grandafter is Polish, settled in the UK after the war. My father claimed and was granted citizenship some years ago, now has a Polish wife and children. Earlier this year I made an application (still pending) for confirmation of my Polish citizenship. I've been told its straight forward enough as my father is a citizen, all I had to do was provide a notarised copy of my passport and his Polish ID card.

Good luck.

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