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Lyzko	Jul 17, 10, 14:48 #901
Zupełno zgadzam się! A to wyrazenie po polsku??

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 17, 10, 14:50 #902
'Zgadzam się na sto procent' is common :)

Lyzko	Jul 17, 10, 15:14 #903
dzięki, Seanus-:))!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 17, 10, 15:21 #904
You're welcome, ma man :) No, it's not a gay phrase, just sth we say to sb we respect in Scotland. Nie jestem gejem, ale jeśli chodzi o tej sprawie, nie jestem defensywną osobę

Lyzko	Jul 17, 10, 15:38 #905
he-he!! )))

ZiemowitThreads: 10 Posts: 1,056 Joined: May 8, 09 ♂	Jul 18, 10, 13:24 #906
Seanus: Nie jestem gejem, ale jeśli chodzi o tej sprawie, nie jestem defensywną osobę I don't quite get the sense of this phrase ("nie jestem defensywną osobą"). The saying "ćwiczenie czyni mistrza" has been known here in Poland in German as well: "Uebung macht den Meister". I believe it came into Polish from German.

ZiemowitThreads: 10 Posts: 1,056 Joined: May 8, 09 ♂	Jul 18, 10, 13:57 #907
Lyzko: Tak jest, Seanuśiu lol Attention to the "śi" combination of letters. Such one is impossible, as the "i" itself does the job of softening the "s" before a vowel. "Seanuśku", on the other hand, would be perfect.

Lyzko	Jul 18, 10, 17:04 #908
Dziękuję Ziemowicie!!

Proud Pole	Aug 7, 10, 15:50 #909
Agrees that we, Poles, hinder our lives, because we must be prepared for hard times that always owe "faithful" allies. And forgive me for mistakes, but I use google translation, because the poorly know English

Lyzko	Aug 7, 10, 16:00 #910
??? Niestety nie zrozumiem Cię. Co chciesz wyrazić? Proszę pisz po polsku! Co to jest n.pr. "...that always owe faithful allies.." itd.??? Co to znaczy?

ShortHairThugThreads: - Posts: 1,296 Joined: May 1, 09 ♂	Aug 7, 10, 17:28 #911
Lyzko: Co to znaczy? Jedyną lekcją, jaką nas nauczyła historia do tej pory to to, że zasługą naszych przyjaciół jest kac, którego się ciężko pozbyć. LOL

Lyzko	Aug 7, 10, 17:43 #912
Dziękuję, ShortHairedThug-:)) Teraz zrozumiem jego zdanie. Ale nas nauczyła historia wiele lekcje, wśród nich, że Polacy są dumnymi ludami, którzy mają trudny język jak broń przeciwko dużym nieprzyjacielom. JESZCZE POLSKI NIE ZGINĄŁ!!!

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Sep 21, 10, 00:51 #913

I have been learning polish, on and off, for year. I find it challenging but that is the best part about it, as it gives you a sense of achievement when something clicks into place. The only thing i find bizarre is the future tense eg Why is będę prosił/prosiła used, when będę prosić is also correct and simplier to use.

On a different note, my fianćee got all the questions, posted before like "with four children", right without a seconds hesitation. At least i know i will have a good teacher, once i get past the grammar rules.

ZedThreads: - Posts: 304 Joined: May 25, 10 ♂	Sep 21, 10, 01:06 #914
LOL.... Robin1980... you're in for a surprise :-). More typical is to say "Poproszę" - also a future tense. Go figure.... ! :-) Sometimes I am surprised I at all manage to speak this vernacular language of mine. Never thought it sounds so difficult, but it indeed is, based on how y'all react to it!. Just in my case it comes natural..... Thank you Mom and Dad! :-)

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Sep 21, 10, 01:22 #915

The use of the imperfective and perfective fell into place, on the plane back from rzeszów, last week :-) The example above, was the first verb that came into my head, it was probably because its on the back page of my verb book. I am sure there will be alot of things that i will find very difficult in the future but i will keep at it. I hate going to see my fiancee's family and not being able to converse with them.

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Oct 5, 10, 09:39 #916

I'm little more than one month in my polish studies at University, and it is hard. Special when you have to work so hard to get the right pronounciations and all the sounds (there's nothing funny at all with "szcz" ;-)), as well as getting started with the total nightmare, the grammar.
The use of only 3 tempus (my native language consists of 7 I think) was compensated with the seven casus (two for swedish and english). And once you have learned all the endings depending on genus, base, plural, singular and casus... You still have to learn when to use what.

You know a language will be hard when just saying "hello" takes a lot of practice. I'm in way over my head. ;-)

Lyzko

Oct 6, 10, 14:10 #917

My native language consists of 7, I think....

Really? nutiden
den forflutna tiden
framtiden
konjunktivet (not really a tense, but a voice!)

I only counted four, actually three-and-a half, then again, Swedish isn't exactly my native language (though I know it light years better than I do Polish LOL).

Swedish is most assuredly an easier language, hands down, than the latter. It of course always depends from which language group one is learning a given foreign language. I for instance, am a German speaker, therefore Swedish was a snap. Polish??? A nightmare as well, at least in the beginning-:))) Russian made a lot more sense, AFTER I had already mastered the basics of Polish.

Most intrigued to hear more of your feedback, Nojas.

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Oct 7, 10, 09:34 #918

Lyzko:

Really? nutiden
den forflutna tiden
framtiden
konjunktivet (not really a tense, but a voice!)

I checked it up and it's acctually 8:

Present tense
Preterite/Simple past
Perfect
Pluperfect
Future tense
Conditional mood
Conditional mood #2
Futurum preteriti

But as with a lot of things in my language, I believe most of them aren't really used.

And yes for a german or an englishman swedish wouldn't be too hard to learn. Special to the english language there are a lot of similarities on how we build sentences:

- I have a car.
- Jag har en bil.

- I can speak english
- Jag kan tala engelska

Swedish is more a spoken than a written language. The hard thing with swedish is speaking it correctly. A lot of words in german are close to swedish, that's why I can pick up some german without ever having studied it. The grammar I hear.... Not even close. ;-)

But polish is built up very differently, which of course makes it hard for us, but probably easier for people with native tounge in other slavic languages.

But if I can learn polish, I can pretty much take on any language, I feel.

Lyzko

Oct 8, 10, 14:11 #919

I completely agree, Nojas. Your idiomatic English is really quite good for a non-native speaker! I presume as with my Swedish that you must practice your foreign language skills a lot-:))

Till exempel jag kan tala, lasa och skriva svenska nastan saa flyttande som tyska eller engelska. Polska?? Och, naah du! Men tacka vet jag forr i varlden! Min forsta gaang i Polen kunne de flesta manniskorna tala jatte bra tyska och det var enkelt for mig.

I, for instance, am able to speak, read and write Swedish almost as fluently as German or English. Polish on the other hand?? No way! If only things in the world remained as they once were! My first time in Poland, most people spoke excellent German and that made matters easy for me-:)

How do you find the different verbal aspects in Polish? I still have to think when I write or even speak in Polish, whereas in Swedish I no longer do. LOL

David_18Threads: 111 Posts: 1,202 Joined: Jan 4, 07 ♂	Oct 8, 10, 14:36 #920
Im really glad that Poland don't got a so uncultured language like swedish! You know language says aloot about a country. I guess the sweds never really needed to talk or express themselfs that much in those cold woods in the 14-18th centuries.

Lyzko

Oct 8, 10, 14:48 #921

"I'm really glad that Poland HASN'T GOT (or: DOESN'T HAVE!!) SUCH AN uncultured language AS Swedish."

David,

I simply had to correct some of your English-:)) On what are you basing this assertion? On the sound of Swedish? In fact, many feel (myself included) that Swedish, along with Estonian and Italian, is one of the most euphonious languages in the world.

I also prefer the sound of Polish to Russian, but will admit that traditional Russian folks songs ("oczy czarnja" etc..) can be heartbreakingly beautiful. The again, Swedish is known for its melancholia too. Many great singers were Swedes: Jenny Lind, Jussi Bjorling, Nicolai Gedda (half-Russian from Stockholm!), Birgit Nilsson, the greatest modern Wagnerian soprano....

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Oct 8, 10, 14:52 #922

Lyzko:

"I'm really glad that Poland HASN'T GOT (or: DOESN'T HAVE!!) SUCH AN uncultured language AS Swedish."

David,

Couldnt care less about my grammar...

Lyzko:

I simply had to correct some of your English-:)) On what are you basing this assertion? On the sound of Swedish? In fact, many feel (myself included) that Swedish, along with Estonian and Italian, is one of the most euphonious languages in the world.

Because of its simplicity. Those "many" are mostly the sweds themselfs i guess ;)

Lyzko

Oct 8, 10, 18:20 #923

I can see you couldn't care less about your grammar. Join the rest of your lazy
countrymen-:))!! Post in Russian then, if you must. At least it'll be authentic. LOL

If you happen to research the subject, you'll find that Swedish is considered one of the most beautiful tongues. Allright, beauty is subjective, true. However, if the standards of beauty are euphony, vocalic harmony and fluidity, sorry, but Swedish wins hands down.

Among the Slavic languages, Czech and Polish seem to do it for me.

Lyzko	Oct 9, 10, 14:22 #924
Just curious, Nojas. What did you find most difficult about learning Polish, compared with, say, German?

someguy

Dec 25, 10, 02:42 #925

I speak Polish, Chinese, Japanese, Portuguese, and English fluently. I am conversant in Spanish and know a little French and Italian. I learned all the languages, excluding English, as a non-native speaker, and I have to say that your poll is way off.

If I had to rank the languages in terms of difficulty, Japanese would be, by far, the most difficult language. Anyone who says differently does not speak Japanese very well, or that person is Japanese.

Chinese would be a DISTANT second to Japanese. People like to cluster Japanese and Chinese together. They are dissimilar languages, only sharing some characters.

Polish is not even on the list. It is not a very difficult language, comparatively. I understand why someone who does not speak very many languages might think that it is difficult, but to argue that it is comparable to Japanese, Korean, Chinese, or Arabic is absurd.

Portuguese is wicked easy. I was conversant after only three months of study and fluent in 14 months.

Your poll is what it is: a bunch of people trying to justify to themselves that the language they learned in high school/college is the hardest language to learn. They want to feel smart, so they make a case about which they know nothing. Any list that has Japanese ranked below languages that use Latin alphabets is not worth taking serious.

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09 ♂	Dec 25, 10, 04:06 #926
someguy: I Are you Sheldon from "Big Bang Theory"?

FUZZYWICKETSThreads: 12 Posts: 1,821 Joined: Nov 3, 09 ♂	Dec 25, 10, 09:03 #927
someguy wrote: Polish is not even on the list. It is not a very difficult language, comparatively. now i will ask you to tell me, since you did the same for portuguese, how long it took you to be fluent in polish along with how you learned it. then we'll see how full of sh!t you are.

scottie1113Threads: 10 Posts: 814 Joined: Mar 13, 07 ♂	Dec 25, 10, 21:19 #928
someguy: I speak Polish, Chinese, Japanese, Portuguese, and English fluently. That's impressive. someguy: Any list that has Japanese ranked below languages that use Latin alphabets is not worth taking serious. Oops. Not so impressive. It should be seriously. But overall, excellent stuff. Now could you be bothered to become a member?

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Dec 25, 10, 21:25 #929

Someguy is full of nonsense. For a start, there is no way that he speaks all those languages fluently. Besides, Japanese is not the hardest at all. I'd be happy to speak Japanese with him and I can tell him I'm not Japanese. It is hard, yes, but it's a case of memorising some difficult counters and also some irregularities like in most languages. For example, kai is the counter for building floor but it changes to gai for 3, i.e sangai :) The animal counters are tough, right enough.

It depends who the learner is, really. Polish is harder for some people. Nihon no hatsuon ha yasashii dayo. Wymowa tutaj, to inna sprawa :0 Anyway can type any bull on the net (I should know) ;)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Dec 25, 10, 21:33 #930
Can you talk jive or smack too? :)

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