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MichalThreads: -
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 May 20, 09, 16:01    #151
z_darius:
How excellent and how many? 5?

There are a lot of Europeans in Poland now as the borders have opened up and Polish can be spoken among British teachers who originally went to Poland years ago as teachers of English, have stayed and have assimilated Polish life, customs and the language.

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 May 20, 09, 20:40    #152
joland:
I know a Chinese language teacher that says people pick up Chinese very easy, but he speaks several languages and could not learn Polish.

I dont know if I agree with that!
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 May 20, 09, 21:45    #153
Michal:
There are a lot of Europeans in Poland now as the borders have opened up and Polish can be spoken among British teachers who originally went to Poland years ago as teachers of English

Interesting.
So who do those foreigners learn Polish from? After all you wrote about Polish grammatical cases that Poles but they are not always used in practice though and the Poles, themselves, rarely know the difference!, and that even though they are native speakers of the language?

Pani_Polska:
I dont know if I agree with that!

You would not agree with somebody's personal experience?
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 May 21, 09, 01:01    #154
I agree with Cardno, saying that 1 language is the hardest is stupid. I don't find it overly hard but I'm sure I'd find some other languages a huge, uphill struggle. Swahili, Mandarin or Hungarian spring to mind.
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 May 21, 09, 17:16    #155
Seanus:
I agree with Cardno

That's because you are a very clever man...
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 May 21, 09, 21:36    #156
Hi, Every body,
No, you cann't say that Polish is hardest. There are many other languages which you didn't listen. In my state people speak 35 language. Which almost totaly different between each other. Then how you could say that.
I learnt polish language within 3 months normal conversiation.
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 May 21, 09, 21:41    #157
sunhp:
I learnt polish language within 3 months normal conversiation.

I'm sure you did.

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I tried my "hand" at Japanese a few decades ago. It was very easy, and as a result I also speak little Chinese.
lala345  Jul 7, 09, 23:54    #158
I think the hardest bit about the German language is getting the cases right.. the language has rules for its genders so that shouldnt pose a problem if you know these rules. Vocabulary and pronuncational wise English and German do have similarities (especially U.K. English) Dutch on the other hand is quite unlogical.. it has very complex.. unlogical weird phrase structures and expressions and nearly no grammatical rules to genders and such (and the pronunciation is very different from English pronunciation). Dutch and German are very similar though.
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 Jul 8, 09, 07:12    #159
A challenge for a proper polish speaker:


Can you use each of these 17 forms in a sentence correctly? Try to make the sentences the same in respect to subject and idea.

17 grammatical forms for the number 2

1. dwa
2. dwie
3. dwoje
4. dwóch (or dwu)
5. dwaj
6. dwiema
7. dwom (or dwóm)
8. dwoma
9. dwojga
10. dwojgu
11. dwojgiem
12. dwójka
13. dwójki
14. dwójkę
15. dwójką
16. dwójce
17. dwójko



Can anyone do it?
Jihozapad Edited by: Jihozapad  Jul 8, 09, 10:50    #160
NPosuniak:
Can anyone do it?

Quite likely, but several of those forms are so rarely used, I believe that one may be forgiven for the occasional mistake!


Czwartek:
I certainly don't know more than 2000 Polish words, I'd be surprised if I know 1000. My grammar understanding is so-so as well. But I can hold a basic conversation in Polish and make myself understood. My main problem is understanding the other person. Despite having been leaning for a few years, I still sometimes have to say jeszcze raz or proszę mówić powoli if they speak too quickly or use a word I don't know. And even if they only use words I know, sometimes it takes a few seconds to put those words in context and understand the full sentence.

In short, memorising words and grammar rules is only the start. If that was all that's involved in learning a language it would be possible to 'learn' virtually any language in a month with enough material. The difficult part is being able to think in that language and usie it as a reliable communication medium.

^^^^
This. Particularly the bit in bold.

For example, I can read Czech as fast as Polish or English, and can translate from Czech to Polish or English (particularly the former) quickly. But I have to listen very carefully to the spoken language to fully understand what I'm being told, even though I understand probably 80% of the words. It's why phrasebooks alone are never enough.


Slightly off-topic (though its been mentioned): I find it interesting that someone else has mentioned that Chinese isn't as difficult to speak as many think. I used to go out with someone who was English but used to work in Hong Kong and was fluent in Chinese, and she said the same.

I'm planning on starting to learn the language in a few weeks time, as I'm planning on going to HK myself at the end of the year, and don't trust the "most people speak some English" descriptions I keep reading.

Unfortunately, I can only remember about three characters so far (mind you, I haven't really tried learning yet, lol) so seeing if I can actually read any of it after 6 months will be interesting to say the least! I may report back here though, hehe ;)
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 Jul 8, 09, 17:35    #161
NPosuniak:
Can anyone do it?

Mamy dwa samochody. Konkretnie dwie beemki. Jedziemy samochodem we dwoje. Z tyłu wsiadło dwóch kolegów. Ci dwaj koledzy piją piwko. Nie jadą z dwiema koleżankami. Gdyż dwóm koleżankom akurat coś wypadło. Więc jadą z dwoma piwami ;]. To nie jest dużo jak dla dwojga. Dwojgu kolegom zachciało się pogawędki. Jednemu się przypomniało, że jak jechał kiedyś z dwojgiem rodziców i dziadkami. Dwójka dziadków opowiadała że. W szkole miała same dwójki. Bo zamiast się uczyć oglądali Dwójkę (tvp2 :P). I każdy z nich lądował z dwójką na koniec semestru. Nie szło im za dobrze w dwójce (II LO :P), więc przenieśli się do trójki. Przed odejściem walnęli sprejem na ścianie napis „żegnaj dwójko
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 Jul 8, 09, 17:45    #162
wow. Thanks man. Hate to ask for more but can anyone translate those? I think it will really help with my learning process.
Jihozapad Edited by: Jihozapad  Jul 8, 09, 17:52    #163
NPosuniak:
wow. Thanks man. Hate to ask for more but can anyone translate those? I think it will really help with my learning process.

We have two cars. Two Beemers (BMWs), to be exact. The two of us are travelling by car. Two friends got in the rear. The two friends are drinking beer. They aren't travelling with two girlfriends, as something turned up for the two girlfriends. So they are travelling with two beers (haha - I like this one :) ) which isn't much for the two of them.




(Sorry, more later. I've just been told dinner's ready ;) haha)
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 Jul 8, 09, 18:53    #164
thanks for the first part....
Jihozapad  Jul 8, 09, 19:49    #165
no worries ;) (I got forced to do the washing-up too... anyway... I'm back...
no long ting... hehe ;) )

michalek:
Dwojgu kolegom zachciało się pogawędki. Jednemu się przypomniało, że jak jechał kiedyś z dwojgiem rodziców i dziadkami. Dwójka dziadków opowiadała że. W szkole miała same dwójki. Bo zamiast się uczyć oglądali Dwójkę (tvp2 :P). I każdy z nich lądował z dwójką na koniec semestru. Nie szło im za dobrze w dwójce (II LO :P), więc przenieśli się do trójki. Przed odejściem walnęli sprejem na ścianie napis „żegnaj dwójko”

The two friends wanted to chat.

For one of them, it was a reminder of when they used to travel with both parents and grandparents

Both grandparents recalled that when still at school, they received just “twos” (I think this refers to grading/marks, not sure). Because instead of learning, they watched “television channel 2” (TVP 2), and each of them ended up with a "two" at the end of term/semester.

It didn't go well for them in the 2nd (grade/form/year - not sure which is the most appropriate usage here), so they were moved to the 3rd (as above)

Before leaving, they sprayed the wall with the message “Bye, 2nd Grade”
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Edited by: Krzysztof  Jul 9, 09, 16:16    #166
Jihozapad:
“twos” (I think this refers to grading/marks, not sure).

Correct. The "old" grading system was 2 (fail), 3, 4, 5 (very good)
In the nineties they added 1 (fail) and 6 (excellent), so nowadyas 2 (dwójka) is now longer fail, but for many genrations it sound strange because the old system was in use since before the WWII.

Jihozapad:
It didn't go well for them in the 2nd (grade/form/year - not sure which is the most appropriate usage here), so they were moved to the 3rd (as above)Before leaving, they sprayed the wall with the message “Bye, 2nd Grade”

Wrong, in this context it means high school - in cities bigger than about 25 thousands inhabitants you usually have more than one liceum (plus a few technikum and, currently less popular, professional mid-grade school, without matura (Liceum Ogólnokształcące no. 2 and no. 3, although in Polish we use Romanian numbers for high schools so it Liceum Ogólnokształcące II, Liceum Ogólnokształcące III etc.)
Jihozapad Edited by: Jihozapad  Jul 9, 09, 17:14    #167
Krzysztof:
Wrong, in this context it means high school - in cities bigger than about 25 thousands inhabitants you usually have more than one liceum (plus a few technikum and, currently less popular, professional mid-grade school, without matura (Liceum Ogólnokształcące no. 2 and no. 3, although in Polish we use Romanian numbers for high schools so it Liceum Ogólnokształcące II, Liceum Ogólnokształcące III etc.)

Aha ;) Well, I went to school in England, so I'm sure I can be forgiven, lol. When I left school (quite a few years ago) we used to call each year of a particular school the "1st Form/"2nd Form", etc., however I think they use an Americanised numbering system these days :)
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 Jul 9, 09, 23:35    #168
Haha well it's good that the language goes along with the girls/women. Both extremely hard to master/understand :D
chauduyphanvu  Jul 14, 09, 15:38    #169
What about Vietnamese with more than 25 grammatical forms for "I" (the first personal pronoun)? :D It just depend on each person's skills in learning a foreign language, not ALL find Polish the most difficult one (but some do).
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 Jul 14, 09, 21:32    #170
chauduyphanvu,

maybe you'll be interested in this:

http://wietnam-polska.wikidot.com/
Jihozapad  Jul 14, 09, 21:42    #171
Depends on who you believe, obviously. But for speakers of English, it looks like it's NOT the hardest language at all (still pretty hard, but not the hardest):

If you go to www.usmilitary.about.com and search for "dlab" and "language categories" it should bring up a page for the DLAB and what scores you need for the different categories of languages if you want to read further on it. Here is the table they have listed:

85 for a Category I language (Dutch, French, Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish)
90 for a Category II language (German)
95 for a Category III language (Belorussian, Czech, Greek, Hebrew, Persian, Polish, Russian, Serbian/Croatian, Slovak, Tagalog [Filipino], Thai, Turkish, Ukrainian, and Vietnamese)
100 for a Category IV language (Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean)

They've since revised the listing and added a Cat 5 (and they've lengthened the training, as well) for languages like Chinese and Korean. I think, as far as I know, Arabic may still be a 4. I'm at DLI right now, so if you have any more questions, I could probably find out the correct info, moreso than a website would.

(taken from http://community.livejournal.com/learn_languages/522322.html )
chauduyphanvu  Jul 15, 09, 04:12    #172
mafketis
Thank you very much, although I'm not a Vietnamese living within Poland but I'm interested by the website. :)
Polishgirl/  Jul 21, 09, 20:05    #173
I didn't even know that my mother tongue may be so difficult to use by foreigners. I know it's complicated but don't give up people. I know people who do speak polish as a second language so I guess it means that it is LEARNABLE!
Lyzko  Jul 21, 09, 23:45    #174
Polishgirl, Polish is NO harder for us Anglos than English is for you Poles. It's often merely the perceived impression of degree in difficulty. After all, for most people, perception still is reality-:)

Marek P.
Jihozapad  Jul 21, 09, 23:48    #175
Lyzko:
Polishgirl, Polish is NO harder for us Anglos than English is for you Poles. It's often merely the perceived impression of degree in difficulty. After all, for most people, perception still is reality-:)

Yeah, if Chinese is so difficult, how come the Chinese manage to learn it so easily then? :)
bob333  Aug 13, 09, 22:08    #176
To illustrate how difficult Polish is...that should be dwie. Dwa is for two masculine things...and piwo (singular) is neuter...so dwie is used for fem and neuter.
Lyzko  Aug 13, 09, 23:13    #177
Jihozapad, obviously the Chinese learn their language as a mother tongue, therefore, it couldn't ever pose the same level of difficulty as for an outsider. We Anglos can spell our crazy patchwork quilt of an orthographic system, and we're clearly not all geniuses (pardonez moi, geniae LOL)

Rather a no brainer, I should think-:)
Lyzko  Aug 15, 09, 16:11    #178
When asked once by a student what I thought was the "hardest" language in the world, I responded by asking the student what they thought was the "easiest' language in the world!

It's merely a mirror image of the same question-:) Difficulty and ease are such relative matters, depending on whom you ask.
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 Sep 15, 09, 19:51    #179
Wow...I thought Arabic was the only hardest language to learn.

To me Polish is hard to spell...
SwedeInPoland  Oct 10, 09, 15:08    #180
I'm a Swede living in Poland since over a year back, and to me it's not the grammar that is the biggest obstacle, its the fact that I don't understand what people say even if I know all the words, because Polish sounds very fuzzy to me, and even if I recognise all the words, I don't have time to think about what they actually mean. A while back I saw the movie Mała Moskwa, and I realised I even understood more of the spoken Russian than of the Polish, even though I just studied Russian for 2-3 months and I already forgot most of it. Sometimes I even think I understand spoken Spanish better than Polish even though I never studied it or know any other Romance language.

And I really hate all those schwhwschwch-sounds, like "Cieszę się, żę się cieszysz..." Can anyone actually hear a difference between "cieszę się" (I'm glad) and "czeszę się" (I combing my hair)? Words like dotknęlibyśmy or drgnęłybyście might as well be from Mars. Sometimes I find it hard to believe that Polish is Indo-European. ;)

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