Pronounciation of the name "Rafael"

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Edited by: Duchess Mar 10, 11, 01:22 #1

Hello,

I wonder if anyone here could help me with the pronounciation of the name "Rafael" in Poland?

The thing is, my friends and I are making a short film. In our film, one of the characters is meant to be Polish, with the surname Rafael (he does a Polish accent in the film). We've already filmed quite a few scenes, and we've been pronouncing it as "ra-faɪ-el, with the /a/ as in cat and the /aɪ/ as in bike".
Is this acceptable as a Polish pronounciation for this surname? Would a Polish person ever pronounce this surname like this? I really don't want to re-film (it's for school and we don't have the time, or the money, really), but I don't want to be incorrect, either, and this issue is really bothering me!!

If this is absolutely not an acceptable pronounciation, how should he pronounce this name when we re-film?

Thanks very much. :)

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Edited by: JonnyM Mar 10, 11, 01:30 #2
It isn't a Polish surname. There is a Polish first name Rafał pronounced Rafau (raf + ow as in town, slightly longer a than cat, accent on the first syllable ). But it is a first name only. If a Polish person had Rafael or Raphael as a (foreign) surname, they would pronounce it pretty well as you suggested.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Mar 10, 11, 01:36 #3
First of all Rafael is not a Polish name. Only a foreigner living in Poland would give a boy such a name but not Polish parent. Closest Polish version is probably Rafał. Duchess: "ra-faɪ-el, with the /a/ as in cat and the /aɪ/ as in bike". Ra-fa-el. Both "a" as in cat. Not "ai" in there. Accent on second syllable.

DuchessThreads: 1 Posts: 6 Joined: Mar 10, 11 ♀	Mar 10, 11, 01:41 #4
If a Polish person had Rafael or Raphael as a (foreign) surname, they would pronounce it exactly as you suggested. Thank you, it's actually a Jewish surname used occasionally in Poland, so I suppose that would count as foreign. :)

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Mar 10, 11, 01:45 #5
Duchess: Thank you, it's actually a Jewish surname used occasionally in Poland, so I suppose that would count as foreign. :) A pleasure! You've got me wondering now if there's anybody in PL called Rafał Rafael... I used to know a Michał Michalski ;-)

DuchessThreads: 1 Posts: 6 Joined: Mar 10, 11 ♀	Mar 10, 11, 01:48 #6
Rafał Rafael...Michał Michalski LOL, they both sound like stage names...certainly not forgettable, at least...

LeopejoThreads: 6 Posts: 154 Joined: Sep 16, 09 ♂	Edited by: Leopejo Mar 10, 11, 09:40 #7
Duchess: /a/ as in cat JonnyM: slightly longer a than cat Bzibzioh: Ra-fa-el. Both "a" as in cat So which is off, my English or my Polish, as for me it should be as the U in "cut" and not the A in "cat"?

AdamKadmonThreads: 38 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Apr 23, 10 ♂	Mar 10, 11, 09:45 #8
Duchess: I wonder if anyone here could help me with the pronounciation of the name "Rafael" in Poland? Put it in the box:

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Edited by: Duchess Mar 10, 11, 14:10 #9

Put it in the box

Wow, that box is one of the handiest things I think I've ever seen...
Anyway, "Jacek" and "Jan" pronounce it more like "Ra-fa-el", but "Maja" and "Ewa" pronounce it more like "Ra-fai-el", so I think we'll be okay not to re-film (thank God!).

for me it should be as the U in "cut" and not the A in "cat"

I agree, actually, you're right. Cat was the wrong example to use. I was actually thinking more of a long A sound, more like the A in Father (which is how we've been saying it in the film), and to me the difference between a U sound and a long A is so subtle that I can't really notice the difference. But yeah, "cut" is much closer than "cat".

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Edited by: puella Mar 10, 11, 15:46 #10

Duchess:

Anyway, "Jacek" and "Jan" pronounce it more like "Ra-fa-el" but "Maja" and "Ewa" pronounce it more like "Ra-fai-el"

Jan i Jacek divides each syllabe which sounds slightly unnatural, while Maja and Ewa speaks as if they were Spnish. Lol

If you type in the box a sentence: "Rafael Santi to znany artysta." then voices of Ewa and Jacek will be the best. Jan pronounce it in weird way, while Maja has a high pitch voice.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Mar 10, 11, 17:07 #11
Leopejo: the U in "cut" and not the A in "cat"? That would depend which part of the English-speaking world you came from, wouldn't it...

DuchessThreads: 1 Posts: 6 Joined: Mar 10, 11 ♀	Mar 12, 11, 02:36 #12
If you type in the box a sentence: "Rafael Santi to znany artysta." then voices of Ewa and Jacek will be the best Thanks very much for that, its good to hear it in the context of a proper sentence. And Ewa and Jacek both pronounce it like Ra-fai-el, which is a great relief. :)

puellaThreads: 9 Posts: 319 Joined: Jan 10, 11 ♀	Mar 12, 11, 08:54 #13
Duchess: And Ewa and Jacek both pronounce it like Ra-fai-el, which is a great relief. :) If you say so...

DuchessThreads: 1 Posts: 6 Joined: Mar 10, 11 ♀	Mar 12, 11, 21:51 #14
If you say so... Really? Do you not hear it like that? Well, however you would write it out phonetically, we've been pronouncing it the way Ewa and Jacek do, so that's the important thing.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Mar 12, 11, 21:53 #15
Ra-fai-el is fine, with the stress on the middle syllable.

DuchessThreads: 1 Posts: 6 Joined: Mar 10, 11 ♀	Mar 12, 11, 21:56 #16
Thanks, Jonny. :)

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