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Nov 2, 08, 23:00 #31

Patrycja19:

you cant possibly get undertones from typing.. unless your super man or something. <~now that had a undertone did ya hear it??

People use certain words and phrasings to emphasize certain things. In many cases it is quite clear. I know you disagree I am just explaining how I see it.

Much that is posted here has the 'undertone' that the Polish culture is superior. In many cases it is flat out stated and not subtle at all. The only reason I had clashes with anyone here is that they attacked when I pointed out things I viewed as flaws here (Poland) and couldn't admit truths about this country and culture. Not all Poles act this way of course but it is common.

They also feel free to slag off other cultures and make ridiculous declaratory statements about them but god forbid anyone points out factual things about Poland.

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Nov 2, 08, 23:01 #32

z_darius:

and looking for trouble where there is none.

agree.. I didnt even see a insult hidden, your prob one of the most intellectual personalities aboard.. I think hes mistaken it for sarcasim, which wasnt hidden in your post, you were giving experience.. most of the time thats the way we learn vs common knowledge which is experience or something we have experienced and I am going on a one way kick here to I dont know where.. I must be tired.

:)

gtdThreads: 3 Posts: 875 Joined: Sep 8, 08 ♂	Nov 2, 08, 23:06 #33
Well at least a couple other regular members ( Polish even) agree with me on these issues and individuals as they have said in PMs so I know its not just something I made up out of thin air.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Nov 2, 08, 23:12 #34
z_darius: you are in essence suggesting that Poles cannot learn Polish at a native level without a native teacher. Well, they can You lost me completely here, Darius. Well, maybe because I'm not intellectual like you.

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Edited by: z_darius Nov 2, 08, 23:14 #35

gtd:

People use certain words and phrasings to emphasize certain things. In many cases it is quite clear. I know you disagree I am just explaining how I see it.

In some cases some things will receive more exposure than others. In a debate about language I would expect a certain level of... demonstrated language skills. If you fail in that respect I will point it out and I will do it without guilt or shame. The guilt and shame are on you and I see no need on my part for apologies. I see the need to correct errors in understanding on your part. That's what those in the know do. Others keep dragging the subject and then jump onto other issues, such as Polish culture this Polish culture that. Language skills have nothing to do with Polish culture or with your spats with Phillios.

If you can't hold your ground in a debate without desperately resorting to unrelated matters then cede.

Bzibzioh:

You lost me completely here, Darius. Well, maybe because I'm not intellectual like you.

I didn't. You just popped in ;)
Read the post again.

Patrycja19:

Patrycja19

Thank you for the kind words. I was beginning to feel lonely ;)

Hitting the hay now. Have a good night all.

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Nov 2, 08, 23:16 #36

gtd:

People use certain words and phrasings to emphasize certain things.

I agree with this , yes, but your basically accusing a virtual reader rather then discussing it , you went automatically to the I know what your doing and trying to find fault in his post.

and not everyone on this board lives in poland or is in poland. I think the majority of us are USA , Canada, UK and we have a few austrailians as well.

gtd:

The only reason I had clashes with anyone here is that they attacked when I pointed out things I viewed as flaws here (Poland) and couldn't admit truths about this country and culture.

do you stand up for your country? is it a crime to stand up for it.. so many people come in here trolling around and no one said Poland didnt have flaws, but some of the stuff people bring up kinds sounds pretty stupid..

all Polish are theifs, theres a certain smell in poland like no other that smells like B.O. are all polish racist?, are Polish girls easy?

These are some of the threads on this site that are really idiotic, has nothing to do with a certain trait.. just people trying to annoy people. and I believe it would be equally annoying if you had a forum you liked and it was your country that was getting the flack.. I think your defence would be up too...

dont you agree?

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Edited by: gtd Nov 2, 08, 23:16 #37

z_darius:

If you fail in that respect I will point it out and I will do it without guilt or shame. The guilt and shame are on you and I see no need on my part for apologies

I have a fine command of my native language and no guilt or shame at all about it at all....and I find it amusing that you think I should.

Patrycja19:

dont you agree?

No I don't agree. Other than a couple times I got pissy and admitted I was pushing it all I have said is clear and real...not trolling nonsense like who has hotter girls. Denying everything because your back is up about nonsense doesn't fly.

Patrycja19:

I think the majority of us are USA , Canada, UK and we have a few austrailians as well.

And ironically Polish living abroad rather than locals here are some of the worst when it comes to the behaviors I mentioned.

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Nov 2, 08, 23:26 #38

gtd:

Denying everything because your back is up about nonsense doesn't fly.

nope it dont, so who here you believe isnt being real?

I dont know how you can make such a statement when you dont even know anyone here and defense is a natural born element built into every human alive including you who is on the defence right now instead of saying , ya know, maybe you have a point!!

which I do, as you do, I did agree with you, but you refuse to agree with anyone else.. so who's truely being real here?

gtdThreads: 3 Posts: 875 Joined: Sep 8, 08 ♂	Nov 2, 08, 23:32 #39
Patrycja19: but you refuse to agree with anyone else This is untrue (oops I disagreed with you...crap no way around that...its a trap!) I agree with people here commonly. I just won't agree with BS simply because it is the party line and unpopular not to.

Wahldo	Nov 2, 08, 23:33 #40
gtd: gtd Patrycja pay this fool no mind, his mind is gone. I don't even think he's American. British probaby, stirring up things as always.

gtdThreads: 3 Posts: 875 Joined: Sep 8, 08 ♂	Edited by: gtd Nov 2, 08, 23:35 #41
Wahldo: Patrycja pay this fool no mind, his mind is gone. I don't even think he's American. British probaby, stirring up things as always. See? This is the refrain....you disagree with something insult or deny....its a stale tactic. I am American and live in Poland whether you believe it or not and I stand behind what I say...I guess expecting the same honesty from everyone is my mistake.

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Nov 2, 08, 23:40 #42

gtd:

I just won't agree with BS simply because it is the party line and unpopular

so your calling my discussion with you bullshyt?

Bzibzioh:

You lost me completely here, Darius. Well, maybe because I'm not intellectual like you.

I wont take this as a undertone, because it wasnt meant as one.. I complimented someone and said ONE of our meaning the whole polish forum.

we ( me and you) have not had a discussion so I wouldnt know if you were or werent .

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Nov 2, 08, 23:59 #43
Patrycja19: I wont take this as a undertone, because it wasnt meant as one.. I complimented someone and said ONE of our meaning the whole polish forum. we ( me and you) have not had a discussion so I wouldnt know if you were or werent Maybe because I'm tired but I don't get your meaning at all. I was commenting Darius flamboyant style of writing.

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06 ♀	Nov 3, 08, 00:11 #44
Bzibzioh: Maybe because I'm tired all is good.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Nov 3, 08, 00:55 #45
polishgirltx: latin No Mexicans in Poland at the time? Joking, of course. You mean there were no Ancient Romans about.

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Nov 3, 08, 04:27 #46

z_darius:

tually, in Poland very few teachers of English have German accent ;)

Whot he probably meant was that in Poland, Polish teachers probably have accents comparable to that of the Germans in Germany. In fact, I had a copy of the Thomas method of learning for Italian. I bought it for 50 pence at my local car boot and sold it on Ebay as I was not very interested in his method or subject. It is quite good, you simply sit back and listen to students learning from scratch with no text to read. I did not know that there was a Polish version. I think in languages like French, where there are lots of conection to English via Latin, it may work quite well but in languages such as Arabic or Chinese, I am not so sure.

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Nov 3, 08, 08:49 #47

gtd:

I have a fine command of my native language and no guilt or shame at all about it at all....and I find it amusing that you think I should.

There is no problem with the active side of your English. The glitch is with your attempts to read between the lines. You assume things are said when they aren't, and then you do what you accuse Poles of doing - you become arrogant, take easy offense when obvious flaws in your post are pointed out, you apply blanket statements and you don't admit mistakes. You may have heard the term "projection" as understood by psychologists. Try to control it.

You have some experience with Polish speakers and teachers of English, I supplemented that with mine, which is contrary to yours. In fact I was an ESL teacher in New York City myself and my employer did not see any problems with the fact that English is my second or third language. About the only issue was my, then, RP accent. The school's management wasn't particularly thrilled about it. They like NYC drool much better. It took me about a year to fix that.

American professors from renowned schools offer highest praises to Polish universities where English language and literature are studied. But you know that this is not possible, huh?

Oh, and let me assure you - if I wanted to offend you I would leave no doubt in anybody's mind that this is exactly what I am doing. For now I don't even have to do it. I would suggest that what you wrote here is more offensive to yourself than anything you think you found between the lines of my posts.

Michal2:

Michal2

I don't believe in any miraculous methods. They are mostly gimmicks. The method that always works is a lot of time, mind and practice put into the learning of a foreign language.

Bzibzioh:

I was commenting Darius flamboyant style of writing.

I feel honored.
Thank you.

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Nov 6, 08, 05:06 #48

What a flaming topic.

I had a good English teacher and he was not a native speaker. He had an accent, of course, all non-native speakers have. When we started at grammar school, he spent more than a week to teach the phonetics. As a foreigner, you won't ever be perfect, but the miracle lies in the thing that non-native speakers must make the effort and learn the pronounciation as good as they can (regardless the actual English accent they acquire in their studies or neighbourhood). In my experience, most non-native English speakers find it hard to make that effort.

Language teaching in East-Europe has always had an emphasis on grammar. They - nearly literally - pound it in your head. Then you go to England (or anywhere) and you find that they use double negation and the remnants of conjugation are even more non-existent (e.g. "I ain't got none", "he don't", "you was" etc.).

So I ended up speaking Brummie English with a Hungarian accent. :) But my spelling is still better than a native's, thanks to my education.

Sparkle_RavelleThreads: 4 Posts: 15 Joined: Jan 10, 10 ♀	Jun 3, 10, 01:35 #49
Geez! All this from someone recommending 'learn Polish' CD. I've tried it, the teacher is as far as I can tell, a Polish woman. She has a Polish accent. She speaks good English and speaks Polish in a clear manner helping you with word order and pronunciation. The students on the CD (it's made like you're the 3rd person in her class) are English and Canadian or American. End of.

crusaderThreads: 4 Posts: 79 Joined: Jan 25, 09 ♂	Jun 3, 10, 23:57 #50
How does it compare to Pimsleur? Better or not?

internaldialogThreads: 9 Posts: 425 Joined: Apr 25, 10 ♀	Jun 4, 10, 00:15 #51
bay of pirates has this.

crusaderThreads: 4 Posts: 79 Joined: Jan 25, 09 ♂	Jun 4, 10, 00:25 #52
Really? Thanks for the tip! :)

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