Georgia-Russia Tension Escalates

Russians have started.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/22/world/europe/22georgia.html

Hmm... hard to now what is true...

what? of course it's true. russia wants those regions and everybody knows it.

You don't talk like Kacz. supporter :)




after Kosovo Russians can do what ever they want to do.

It is interesting if they are going to do the same with pro-Russian eastern Ukraine.

nice video from Gerogia
video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=6dd7283933315f3fc36be2fce8d54d7ae58fef1 1

those places should be turkey's, then everyone will be happy and live in peace forever:P

you gotta be kidding...what are you a turk ?



and as if the US doesnt want ex soviet blocs...a little hypocritical...dont you think ?

Espescially forcing seccession like kosovo....aaahhh it must be nice to be uncle sam. You get away with murder ( no pun intended )

Majority of Georgians prefere Uncle Sam ...


Greeks ...

After kosovo everywhere there will be problems with small piece of lands wanted to be indepented...I think that before kosovo at least Russia couldn't do anything showing clerarly that wants these parts, now they have the example of kosovo, that is one of the reasons why kosovo shouldn't be indepentet..but we must be open minded...if russia believes that these lands must be out of Georgia they will be, like USA decided that kosovo will be away from Serbia

now, after so called west ruined international low everything is possible

I can even imagine that one evening one can go to sleep in his own country and next morning wake up in USA, Germany, Turkey, China, Japan or Russia, etc, etc.

After all, in Poland or even Serbia.


frankly, its not Russians who started, this time


exactly


USA is far away, Russia is closer to Serbia/Serbian Kosovo, don`t forget

not to mention what Serbians want and, Serbs are Serbs, Albanians are Albanians. Kosovo is Serbia!


all those regions were by God`s bless, part of Sarmatia Asiatica (read Slavija), much before Devil (to put cross on myself) had Turkey in his plans

Crow I don't udnerstand your good mood.
It means that Russians accepted your lost in Kosovo and use your example to gain influence in Gerorgia.

so Serbs should be last nation to be happy (maybe second after Georgians) ...

Ok you have the right for bitter satisfaction and you can say "we were right"

listen, as you know, Russians gave support to Serbia over Kosovo and Russians were right for many reasons

If Russians give up from Serbia, it would (no matter Russian advantage in regions very close to Russia) mean that Russia lost competition with so called West (USA and EU) and Islam, here on Balkan, particulary in Serbia.

then, Serbians are currently only Russian allay partners distanced from Russia. Now, if Serbians collapse because of that, it would inevitable be bad signal to all other Slavs and non-Slavs who eventualy could relly on Russia, in some circumstances. It would mean that Russia isn`t capable to do anything for her partners and that would lead to real Russian isolation.

I think that Russia, over Georgia situation, just preparing for real retaliation. Target won`t be Russian neighborhood but, Balkan- crucial region of Europe. Here on Balkan, Russia is in competition with Islam (Turkey) and Germany (Germanization). Forget on USA. When Russia push hard, USA would give up from Balkan easely without risking world war (while Russia fights for her own survavor and won`t hesitate to blow up somebody if must).

I realy think that destruction of Yugoslavia was last German and Turkish mistake. All who helped them would also learn that Balkan belong to Slavija, to Christian Slavija.

And Serbs. They should, in new situation, liberate all on Balkan what belong to them, create strong Serbian state and unite all Balkan Slavs arround them (as Polish prince Chartorisky once suggested rellaying on Serbs over indepandance of Poland). If we did it before we united in Yugoslavia, that Slavic Union would be still alive on the behalf of complete Slavic world.


yes, it can be said that it is good mood. I sense that strategic situation arround Serbia change.

Serbians would also retaliate. Our first retaliation would be on new parlamentary election in May.


BDW, i eat cevapcice (ćevapčiće) right now.

I don't want this discussion to change it to "slavic discussion" majority of Russians don't consider Poland true Slavic country and I think it is more than good.

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I am sure that for Russia Ukraine or Georgia are more important than Serbia. Look on map. They want to be members of NATO !

Have you seen Russian reactions on plans of US shield in Poland ?

If I were Russian I would sell Serbs and use opportunity to take eastern Ukraine (very pro - Russian) and parts of Georgia.

I agree without pecednens of Kosovo it would be imposible (or much harder).

and why is that?

how that? I don`t think so


yes, good relations between Russia and Ukraine (preventing Ukraine membership in NATO) could be priority but not much important on the long run. After all, no matter all, Ukrainains and Russians are too much historicaly realated that somebody can seriously expect that undermine those relations.

But, Balkan is Balkan. Without close relations with Balkan Slavs, Russia is isolated and would surely died slowely in silence. Same as Poland, after all. Sobieski was aware of that but, Tusk sold Polish interests on Balkan. Big traitor of Poland is that Tusk.


who would then, choose Russians for allay partners. One word- NOBODY.


Poland should start to preapere to go out from it (recognition of separation of Kosovo). Polish public can help increasing pressure on Tusk. Official Poland can, in one moment, declare that under pressure of public must anule recognition of Kosovo independance and that`s it. Let Russia deal with Germany, without fight over Poland.

But, when comes to Lusatia, Poland would need to choose ultimately- Slavija or false west. Russia can help to Polish choice IF evolve into fully democratic state.

http://www.commonwealth.pl/

here you have first reasons ;-) (cultural, historical, blood)

and to show it from different point of view. Dutch don't like to be considered Germans realtives and to be honest they have more in common with Frech or Brits than with Germans.

Russia can`t decide what is good for Slavdom and what isn`t, even if try to decide about it. Nobody of us isn`t above Slavija.


that example means nothing to me. Most of Germans are just germanized Slavs and only good God knows how many other nations of Europe origin from Slavs. They are something else now (especialy spiritualy), after Chartage, Rome, Moors passes over them. They didn`t endure. They aren`t example for me.

yes he is


wants? it's not even close to the same as the reds.
sieg heil. jeez.. USA decided nothing.

russia on the other hand want to annex these lands.. it's not even the same game they are playing. kosovo is not an example.. it's not even the same or esimilar situation. it's quite the opposite.


what? you make no sense with this jive man. freaking paranoia runs deep within you. the funny thing is that you don't seem to be affraid of the red and you really should be.
here we go again.. who then? i can't wait for this answer.


please put down the bong.


please quit living in denial.. kosov is NOT serbia; not anymore.


hahahhahaa.. he's never been right, yet. :D


what? they have nothing in common with the french.. wow...

Crow how to present you some facts :)

We prefere non-slavic small democratic Georgia than slavic regime Russia. ;)

that is all it is not about blood or DNA.

I think it is opinion of 90% of Polish people.

listen, if brat eats sh**, that doesn`t mean that other brat should eat sh**. So, I understand your logic but, in this case we don`t have similar situation.

This time, brat doesn`t eat sh** but, somebody play on prejudice against Russians, to manipulate with Poland. What to tell you, don`t fall in trap.


Remember, in decisive moment (when all masks fall down), Slavs would be just Slavs or if you want Sarmatians would be just Sarmatians or again, Reseni would be just Raseni. That Slavic inteligentsia/governmant/politicians which oppose to that fact would finish under pressure on street walkers and Slavs would offer united respond to their foes.

To underline again, don`t fall in trap.

seems you're the one falling in the trap. russkies are no good man.

give life Crow.

for 200 years have been opressed by Russians and now Serb is learning us that actualy they are our brothers ...

btw are you member of any Russian forum ?

To avoid trap, Poles just need to know one thing for now. Racowie are good for Poland. Always were.

sure but that was 4 ceturies ago.. that's is part of the problem in the balkans and near east. time to let go of some of these things.. settling scores will never do you any good. move on.. work on positive constructive things.

they have right to change, learn on mistakes. And, don`t tell me that Polish inteligentsia or politics didn`t mistaken in the past, on Russians or on other Slavs (look just what that Tusk did to Serbians)?! What would Christ say... `what you see in the eye of your brother and don`t see in your own eyes`!?

since Slavs lost their freedom and era of slavery beggan, many Slavs were disoriented and many mistakes on all sides happened. Now, Slavs should liberate themselves and restore glory of their civilization. We- Slavs are in front of historical opportunity. Don`t be selfish Poles! Serbian history is absolutely biggest Slavic tragedy and we are still true Sarmatians.

commonwealth.pl

watch it again ;-)

and if you are member of any Russian forum please give me link I would like to see your activity there.

can be in Russian because I speak russian.

Вот и всё ;)

we don`t insist on problem. It`s our foes who comnig again and again and dispute development in the region, dispute progress of Slavs.

But, we- Balkan Slavs would found scent, with Polish and Russian support. You are our wings! You are last powers and strenght of Sarmatia.

Russia wins influence, overpowers, subjugates a country, then expects it to, in some way, be forever a part of glorious Russia. Georgia has a history going way back centuries BC with the Kingdom of Colchis (where the mythological Jason and the Argonauts went). I'm not sure about the Mediaeval era, but it wasn't until the early 19th century that Imperial Russia took power in Georgia.

No mention of the Balkans, the USA or the EU in this post. Funny that.

Hang on - was I supposed to say who I think started it?

if that was on me

currently, i am active on one Pan-Slavic forum (not Russian) but, don`t have much time these days. I am more active here on Polishforums.com. I would send you link via PM then go speak with Russians.


Pan Osiol

if you point on me, you would mistake this time. Read thread. It`s not me who first mentioned Kosovo and compared it with Georgia situation.