Germans: Like them or Dislike them?

Yes....am afraid so....its just a few short decades ago, that total war was raging in Europe...the most advanced (?) area of the world, knee deep in wealth, intellectuals, great history and fine christian morals........

Where did it get us....when people are prepared/forced to follow/support....mass murderers?

Be optimistic Daffy.........but always with a hint of pessimism....maybe you are quite young......rose tinted glasses too.....

Me.?..Full time, older cynic........only put my rose tinted glasses on when I am in Poland!

The meaning of my sentence was very different.

I'm glad that Germans did not open borders - I see no sense in 2 new million Polish immigrants working for German Economy

Oh my Lord.... And just when I started to believe you that Puerto Ricans were always anti nazi I hear that some of them were collaborating with them during the WWII... I have lost my faith in human kind now.

Really? In what way.
I mean, I know that there are known knowns. Is this one of them? That is to say, that
do you actually mean, it's a known known or was this more a known unknown.

Um, sorry to interrupt guys, but there may be a way you could possibly meet half-way if you saw evolution as cyclical, but rather than a flat circle repeating itself, couldn't it be seen as a spiral? Yes, it may overlap sometimes as humanity stays on the treadmill for certain periods of time (it may sometimes appear as though we're on it forever - wars and other nasties can do that), but eventually the spiral lifts, even if the rise is imperceptibly small. It may even be possible we may slide down the spiral as well occasionally, but I think a quick glance at history shows that eventually we start climbing again. You could also say that whereas humanity has progressed up the spiral quite well in some areas, in others it's kept itself going round flatly for quite long periods of time. So what do you say guys, willing to give the spiral a chance?

give the spiral a chance heheh BRAVO i like it

Now there is a magazine that needs to be seen to be believed. Germans, I ask you!!

Glad you like it daffy, very decent of you

Now, if only we could find a few elevators....

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt

Niemcy, Niemcy ponad wszystko,
Ponad wszystko na świecie

Germany, Germany rules
Rules the whole world

Only sick, and racist nation could have such words in anthem, while almost all nations have self-defense words - not occupied words, and please don't tell me that in those days there were many german lands not united - it is clear Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt

Rule Brittania, Brittania rules the waves.....

Yeh its about time we changed the words. We only have half an aircraft carrier, two battered frigates and a fleet of rowing boats nicked from Hyde Park.

Rule Britannia, Brritannia rules The Serpentine.

Or

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England’s mountains green?
And was the holy George W Bush
On England’s pleasant pastrure seen?

And did his Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was the White House builded here
Among those dark Satanic Mills?

What is it with this forum and it's anti German feeling all of a sudden?

Ok Babylon. You want to analyse the text Deutschland über alles then you HAVE to understand the time it was written in



You say that, but that is exactly the point.
THAT IS WHY IT WAS WRITTEN!
There was, at the time of the composition of that hymn, NO Germany.
No emperor, no central government that first verse attempted to instill a sense of unity and aspiration to become better and one nation.




Germany, Germany above everything
Above everything in the world
When, always, for protection and defence
Brothers stand together.
From the Maas to the Memel
From the Etsch to the Belt,
Germany, Germany above all
Above all in the world.

Now before you start saying being above all in the world is being rascist, it means in the sense of being esteemed above everything else (I love my country above all else; ya know Patriotism.) That is after all what they were trying to inspire.

Yes, the words got twisted and used by some to promote their own ends (rather like you just tried to do) and that's why in 1950 it was replaced with the current anthem. Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit... (which was the third verse of the original song)



Really, like the French anthem?

Sacred love of the fatherland, cherished liberty, strenghten our arm of vengence.... victory come to your male calls, let your dying enemies, see your triumph and your glory. To arms, citizens! Form your battalions! Let us march, let us march may impure blood soak our fields' furrows!


or perhaps the British one?

O Lord our God arise,
Scatter her enemies
And make them fall;
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On Thee our hopes we fix,
Oh, save us all!

Or perhaps the the American one?

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save
The hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

I could go on but i'm not going to labour the point.

When Polish was written there was no Poland at all and somehow we don't have such a crap.

hmmm.....I like the German people

i dis-like their government, i might change my mind in a few years if they make clear that Poland will be an Ally for good.

LOL, according to eyewitness accounts Eva Braun loved that music.

I like Germans and it looks like this poll is in their favour . Actually, I can't say that there is any country that I hate and I find that a little weird that some of you can.

Sorry Iwona....I'm a bit late and you and your friends have it wrong (like often enough)
Do you read per chance the latest world wide popularity survey (Anhold Nation Brand Index)?

Germany comes in second just after Great Britain!

You can read about that here:

.999today.com/travel/news/story/3821.html

Or you can download the report here:

.nationbrandindex.com/

PS: I discovered your board here today and soon couldn't stop reading....some of you are so funny (Babylon, Lonestranger, Crow...etc) Thanks for the good time!

PS: Poland comes at #30 !

The 30.iest most liked country world wide....not bad!
Right between Egypt and Malaysia!!!

November 28, 2006
2006 Anholt Nation Brands Index- Turkey and Israel at the lowest top...

The Anholt Nation Brands Index measures the power and appeal of a nation’s brand image, and tells us how consumers around the world see the character and personality of that brand. The nation brand is the sum of the perceptions of a country and its people across six areas of national assets, characteristics and competence. Together, these areas are Tourism, exports, people, governance, culture and heritage, investment and immigration. (The report captures the view of 25,903 online consumers across 35 countries. )

Overall Ranking:

United Kingdom 1
Germany 2
Italy 3
Canada 4
Switzerland 5
France 6
Sweden 7
Japan 8
United States 9
Australia 10
Spain 11
The Netherlands 12
Denmark 13
Norway 14
New Zealand 15
Belgium 16
Portugal 17
Ireland 18
China 19
Russia 20
Brazil 21
Hungary 22
Argentina 23
Singapore 24
India 25
Mexico 26
South Korea 27
Czech Republic 28
Egypt 29
Poland 30
Malaysia 31
South Africa 32
Estonia 33
Indonesia 34
Turkey 35
Israel 36

Do Poles steal alot?

...most stereotypes have more than a little core of truth to them!

so when they say germans are rude arrogant beerbellied bureaucrats in lederhosen its not too far from the truth...?

The same with intelligen, hard working, meticulous, punctual, disciplined, loyal and a bit aloof....yup!

There is a core of truth innit.

Oh and Schorsch...I'm not funny...I'm a German!

But for the Lederhosen...you will never find a honest Prussian with Lederhosen...he would rather die!

PS: And please excuse all my typos!

apparently germans do have a sense of humour but it is different and expressed at different times... it also doesnt translate into english well... apparently...

Yeah...

The Austrians have an odd sense of humour Bubba, that's for certain, but once you get your ear in, it's not that hard to laugh in the right places.

@a German.

ist gut, dass du dich hier registriert hast. Willkommen bei Polishforums

hueg... my post was very tongue in cheek... i have laughed my butt off with germans on a number of occassions... never with austrians tho... what do they make of your sense of humour...?

welcom to the forum a german... typos are ignored

I'd guessed.



Hmm, they're a serious bunch, to the point of leaving you thinking they must have had a collective humour bypass, so I guess they thought I was pretty outrageous, what with me cracking jokes left, right and centre and nothing being off limits for a bit of ribbing. (I try not to take too much seriously, as i'm sure you've guessed!)

It was just a question of getting used to each other really. Some got it straight away, while others took a while before they stopped taking me literally and stopped trying to work out what I might be talking about. (Always good hearing them say 'So, this must be the world famous British humour' with a bewildered look on their faces)

Now though, life is grand and we're cooking on gas.

But, I still don't find the "why is Canada called Canada" joke funny, no matter how much I try.

What about Poland? They cope with your dry wit ok?

a German, its nice to know not all Germans hate us anymore.


since u are here, maybe u can clarify for us. Does most of the German population still hate/dislike/think negatively of Poland? or is it the other way around?