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z_darius
  Dec 19, 07, 11:53  #1

I wonder what is the reason behind censoring English vulgar expressions, but not Polish? Isn;t that kinda funny that we need to use all kinds of tricks to explain meaning of words instead of just spelling them out?

Honestly, this is pretty wkurwi±jace ;)

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hello
Edited by: hello  Dec 19, 07, 12:00  #2

hmm, I *******...

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Admin
  Dec 19, 07, 12:03  #3

The site is in English, not Polish.. ;) Do you really need to express yourself in this way often?

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z_darius
  Dec 19, 07, 12:26  #4

Quoting: Admin
The site is in English, not Polish.. ;)

As far as I can see it is in both. See areas you created for people to ask about translations.

Quoting: Admin
Do you really need to express yourself in this way often?

I don't express myself this way too often, but a translation is a translation.

Oh, don't miss the thread about Polish swear words. Your first post not censored. Do you really need to express yourself in this way often? ;)

So, what's the answer to the origanl question?

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osiol
Edited by: osiol  Dec 19, 07, 13:01  #5

Being able to use swear-words in a grown-up manner is the sign of a well-adjusted, totally non ****ed-up society. I think you know what I mean, but if I just put the word ********, you might not really grasp what I'm trying to say.

There are words that don't get through even though they are not rude - ********** for example because within this harmless word, acceptable in front of children and the frail, is a rather unpleasant racial term of abuse.

On the other hand, this American-based site has no problem I have spotted so far with bollocks or felch (the latter being one of the most unpleasant acts that can be described in just one word).

edit: Will I see you next tuesday?

edit again: Furthermore, not all swear-words mean something negative. May I mention zajebista / zajebiscie?

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daffy
  Dec 19, 07, 13:17  #6

the censor i imagine is to avoid users using these derogatory words to another user.

the adult use of these words is not prohibited however the use in the derogatory sense was dominant over the adult use so it has to be censored to try avoid insult to injury.

valid point about the polish swear words but english is the standing order language here and as such is the language dominantly used to demean other members (some polish swear words are censored i believe)

needless to say, it is the very few who misuse these words too often that ruin it for the rest of us.

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espana
Edited by: Moderator  Dec 19, 07, 13:39  #7

Quoting: daffy
the censor i imagine is to avoid users using these derogatory words to another user.

the adult use of these words is not prohibited however the use in the derogatory sense was dominant over the adult use so it has to be censored to try avoid insult to injury.

valid point about the polish swear words but english is the standing order language here and as such is the language dominantly used to demean other members (some polish swear words are censored i believe)

needless to say, it is the very few who misuse these words too often that ruin it for the rest of us.

this is what i call a good moderator!!!!
daffy how are you mate!
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Im good man - busy with work n college but good :) hope you're well too!

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Daisy
  Dec 19, 07, 13:42  #8

I wish I could tell people I was a ***** cat

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slick77
  Dec 19, 07, 13:46  #9

No ****.

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z_darius
  Dec 19, 07, 14:09  #10

Quoting: daffy
valid point about the polish swear words but english is the standing order language here and as such is the language dominantly used to demean other members (some polish swear words are censored i believe)

I understand the concern, but since the forum owners follow their own development plans, I think they might want to consider some more lax rules in the translation forums.

As for offensive language, few would be at a loss for words if they wanted to offend others, even if vulgar expressions were unavailable.

Thanks for the reasonable answer.

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daffy
  Dec 19, 07, 15:59  #11

Quoting: z_darius
I understand the concern, but since the forum owners follow their own development plans, I think they might want to consider some more lax rules in the translation forums.


Point taken, though it is a discretionary matter not a compliance matter. The site owners can make the forum any which way. Im quite sure we can find (or create) a swear forum or indeed a polish swear forum - such is the internet

A quick google search would reveal - or event the free to host forums to create a new one.

Quoting: z_darius
As for offensive language, few would be at a loss for words if they wanted to offend others, even if vulgar expressions were unavailable.


Indeed, and the site team has decided to exclude a select few words that carry 'extra' derogatory weight. Again - it was a select few abused the 'abuse' that forced the etiquette hand of PF.com team.

Quoting: z_darius
Thanks for the reasonable answer.


We are nothing if not reasonable where possible!

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Admin
Edited by: Admin  Dec 19, 07, 16:13  #12

Quoting: z_darius
Oh, don't miss the thread about Polish swear words. Your first post not censored. Do you really need to express yourself in this way often? ;)

You missed the part that the Polish swear words article was not written by me; it was only posted by me.

Anyway, we can try to disable this feature for registered users only and we'll see how it goes.

In result, however, I expect more membership suspensions because now someone may write "fu.ck you" and it will show as "**** you." (and then the author may argue he/she just wrote 4 stars and you, so it's hard to suspend him/her based on that). When the censoring is disabled and someone writes "fu.ck you," it will be a clear violation of the forum rules and such member is likely to be suspended.

As they say "Be careful what you wish for" ;).

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osiol
Edited by: osiol  Dec 19, 07, 16:48  #13

Can use new tactics - in getting round some of these censorship problems.
edit: How bad is that? I just slightly cleaned up my own post!

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Admin
  Dec 19, 07, 16:53  #14

OK (but you need to be even more creative if you want to get attention from the Arabic forum members ;).

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osiol
  Dec 19, 07, 17:06  #15

TIHS is what I had been thinking.

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plk123
  Dec 19, 07, 20:08  #16

no kurwa. :D :D

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z_darius
  Dec 19, 07, 21:06  #17

Quoting: Admin
You missed the part that the Polish swear words article was not written by me; it was only posted by me.

I dodn't miss it. I merely observed that words were not censored. If I also quoted vulgarisms then they would be censored (unless you have some techonology that can tell a quote from direct input)

Quoting: Admin
When the censoring is disabled and someone writes "fu.ck you," it will be a clear violation of the forum rules and such member is likely to be suspended.


Circumventing of autocensorship is quite commen here, and I do it too. If this is what warrants my suspension then be it, and I'll respect the decision. But I still think the rule is weird, at least within the language threads.

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Admin
  Dec 19, 07, 23:03  #18

z_darius wrote:
I merely observed that words were not censored.

Obviously Admin and moderators don't have all the technical restrictions regular members may have..

z_darius wrote:
Circumventing of autocensorship is quite commen here, and I do it too. If this is what warrants my suspension then be it, and I'll respect the decision. But I still think the rule is weird, at least within the language threads.

This "autocensorship" feature was useful for some members, even if it was "weird"..

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Michal
  Jan 8, 08, 14:56  #19

z_darius wrote:

I wonder what is the reason behind censoring English vulgar expressions, but not Polish

Because, it is mainly only the Polish who swear and use this sort of language.

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z_darius
  Jan 8, 08, 14:59  #20

Michal wrote:
Because, it is mainly only the Polish who swear and use this sort of language.

That was a quick response!
Keep on thinking. I'll check back on you here in June.
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