to be substituted (with reference to football)

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Aug 2, 10, 13:53 #1

Hi there! I'm struggling to find the correct way of saying the following sentences in Polish:

He will be substituted in 10 minutes...
He has just been substituted...
He was substituted because of injury...
Player no. 9 was substituted by Player no. 17
The Manager substituted him with another player

In a football context I think the correct verb to use is zmieniać / zmienić and NOT zastępować / zastąpić...

I'd be really grateful if a Polish football fanatic :-) could help me with these sentences... Many thanks in advance... Maybe in Polish a passive construction is not used... Maybe Poles have a completely different way of expressing the above sentences...
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czarnykot

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Edited by: pgtx Aug 2, 10, 15:36 #2
czarnykot: In a football context I think the correct verb to use is zmieniać / zmienić that makes sense... Wymiana zawodnikow odbedzie sie za 10 minut.

ZiemowitThreads: 10 Posts: 1,063 Joined: May 8, 09 ♂	Aug 3, 10, 19:22 #3
czarnykot: Maybe in Polish a passive construction is not used... Maybe Poles have a completely different way of expressing the above sentences... You are right. I'm not a football fanatic, but in these contexts in Polish, the active voice or impersonal constructions will be prefered over the typically English use of the passive voice ("zawodnika nr 9 zmieni zawodnik nr 17").

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Edited by: Pio Aug 5, 10, 16:14 #4

czarnykot:

He will be substituted in 10 minutes...
He has just been substituted...
He was substituted because of injury...
Player no. 9 was substituted by Player no. 17
The Manager substituted him with another player

On zostanie zmieniony za 10 minut. (10 = dziesięć)
On został właśnie zmieniony.
On został zmieniony z powodu kontuzji.
Zawodnik nr 9 został zmieniony przez zawodnika nr 17. (nr = numer, 9 = dziewięć, 17 = siedemnaście)
Trener zmienił go na innego zawodnika.

The pronoun on is usually omitted, unless there is special need of it.

czarnykot:

In a football context I think the correct verb to use is zmieniać / zmienić and NOT zastępować / zastąpić...

I think zmieniać is slightly more frequent, but in general both are acceptable here.

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Aug 13, 10, 11:54 #5

Pio, almost, but not quite. Your translations sounds slightly artificial to me. I'd say:
Zostanie zmieniony za 10 minut (or Wymienią go za dziesięć minut)
Właśnie został zmieniony. (Właśmie go wymienili)
Został zmieniony z powodu kontuzji (Wymieniono go z powodu konstuzji)
Zawodnik z numerem 17 (z siedemnastką) wymienił zawdonika z dziesiątką (z numerem 10)
Wymieniono go z powodu kontuzji.
Trener wymninił go na innego zawiodnika (piłkarza)

PioThreads: - Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 9, 09 ♂	Aug 13, 10, 13:37 #6
kondzior: Właśmie, konstuzji, zawdonika, wymninił, zawiodnika You could try better, too. No wonder people find the Polish language difficult. So many words that they cannot look up in dictionaries.

kondziorThreads: 2 Posts: 441 Joined: Oct 16, 09 ♂	Aug 22, 10, 20:47 #7
Pio: You could try better, too. No wonder people find the Polish language difficult. So many words that they cannot look up in dictionaries. My bad. I mistyped it, and some beers do not excuse me. English words I do check several times, but when writing in Polish I had asumed that I can't do wrong... Typing it on my Amiga didn't helped, it is somewhat difficult to use any spell checker there.

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