'lubię, lubisz' - Infinitive

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Nov 20, 11, 13:47 #1

Hi folks

I just need a quick confirmation on the use of the infinitive.

In the book I'm using it has (na przykład): 'lubię, lubisz ... + bezokolicznik' (infinitive).

....Mariusz i Agnieszka lubią czytac kziążki kryminalne. (Mariusz and Agnieszka like reading criminal books).

... One lubią słuchac muzyki rockowej. (They (women only) like listening to rock music).

... Czy lubisz chodzic do teatru? (Do you like going to the theatre?).

In simple terms what does infinitive mean in this context? :-/

dhrynioThreads: 4 Posts: 52 Joined: Jun 8, 08 ♀	Nov 20, 11, 14:09 #2
The same as in English. When we say I like to listen to music. It the same. In Polish you use the infinitive after the verb like.

ReservoirDog

Nov 20, 11, 14:14 #3

infinitive:
1. czytac
2. słuchac
3. chodzić
as you see the infinitive forms of verbs end with "ć" or "c". Its the verb in basic form as "to read", "to listen", "to walk". Music is not infinitive :). Above translations should be written as:
1. Mariusz and Agnieszka like to read....
2. They like to listen....
3. Do you like to go...

Lets try this:
1. Ja lubie czytać - I like to read
"czytać" is always on the basic form of the verb. The first verb "lubie" is not the basic form, it's always correlated to a person and time.
Summarizing : First verb correlated to person and time(always), secon verb in basic form (always).

ChrzaszczThreads: 19 Posts: 136 Joined: Jul 4, 11 ♂	Edited by: Chrzaszcz Nov 20, 11, 16:48 #4
Thanks ReservoirDog. That explains it nicely. No doubt I'll have more questions...

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Nov 21, 11, 21:33 #5

Merged: Verb infinitives

Could anyone give me a few pointers relating to verb infinitives...

Which is the correct sentences: I've tried to do this, but stuck on which conjugation to use.

'Czy lubicie słychac muzyki klasycznej' czy
'Czy lubicie słychacie .....'

'Czy lubisz grasz w tenisa czy'
'Czy lubisz grać w tenisa'.

'On bardzo lubi podrozowac w park' czy
'On bardzo lubi podróżuje w park'.

'Ona bardzo lubi chodzic zakupy' czy.
Ona bardzo lubi chodzi zakupy'.

In essence, when do I use the verb in full - as in the first example (słychac), or słychacie, or (chodzic) or (chodzi) last example.

In two further example (given by the book): Mój znajomy lubi czytać gazety, ..... why isn't it 'Mój znajomy lubi czyta gazety ...'

One lubią słuchac myzyki rockowej.... why isn't this ... One lubią słuchają myzyki rockowej....

In the above one, why isn't the verb to read (czytac) declined?

Anyone got any clues... :-( [questions question questions]

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Edited by: pawian Nov 21, 11, 21:47 #6

Correct are the first sentences in each pair:

Chrzaszcz:

Czy lubicie słuchac muzyki klasycznej'

Chrzaszcz:

'Czy lubisz grać w tenisa'.

Chrzaszcz:

'On bardzo lubi podrozowac w park' /quote]

[quote=Chrzaszcz]'Ona bardzo lubi chodzic zakupy'

Chrzaszcz:

In essence, when do I use the verb in full - as in the first example (słychac), or słychacie, or (chodzic) or (chodzi) last example.

Sorry, I don`t know. I am not so good at Polish grammar.

PS. The sentence about travelling in the park is a bit strange.

scottie1113Threads: 11 Posts: 873 Joined: Mar 13, 07 ♂	Nov 21, 11, 21:49 #7
You do know what an infinitive is, don't you?

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,395 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Nov 21, 11, 21:49 #8
scottie1113: You do know what an infinitive is, don't you? Who?

ReservoirDog	Nov 21, 11, 21:53 #9
'Czy lubicie słuchac muzyki klasycznej' 'Czy lubisz grać w tenisa'. chodzić- to go podrózować-to travel spacerowac - to walk 'On bardzo lubi chodzić do parku'?? or On bardzo lubi spacerować po/w parku'?? 'Ona bardzo lubi chodzic na zakupy' .

scottie1113Threads: 11 Posts: 873 Joined: Mar 13, 07 ♂	Nov 21, 11, 21:59 #10
Not you Pawian. We were writing at the same time. I was going to give similar examples of Polish infinitives, but others have already done that.

ReservoirDog

Nov 21, 11, 22:11 #11

One lubią słuchac myzyki rockowej.... why isn't this ... One lubią słuchają myzyki rockowej

"słuchać" is verb in basic form - not related to person (he/she/it/etc) = infinitive
"słuchają" is wrong cos it's related to person (one słuchają/ono słucha/my słuchamy/wy słuchacie...when basic form is "słuchać"
If you are not sure is it basic form or not, just check the end of the word. If it ended with "ć" or "c" it will mean you found infinitive.
Look:

First verb related to person and second verb (infinitve) in basic form.

One lubią słuchać muzyki rokowej

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Nov 21, 11, 22:13 #12

Chrzaszcz:

Czy lubicie słychac muzyki klasycznej

Do you like could be heard classical music

Czy lubicie słuchać muzyki klasycznej
Do you like listen to classical music

Chrzaszcz:

Ona bardzo lubi chodzic na zakupy

Chrzaszcz:

Mój znajomy lubi (and) czyta gazety

likes and read, this way you construct alternative here, two actions instead of likes what

Chrzaszcz:

Mój znajomy lubi (what) czytać gazety

He likes reading newspapers

ReservoirDog	Nov 21, 11, 22:21 #13
Infinitives end with the letters "ć" or "c"

ChrzaszczThreads: 19 Posts: 136 Joined: Jul 4, 11 ♂	Nov 21, 11, 22:32 #14
Dear all responees. all above. The penny has dropped, and got the jist. I just needed a pointer, which you've all provided. Do you mind me asking all these questions by the way? I feel a little embarrassed and troublesome by asking. :-(

scottie1113Threads: 11 Posts: 873 Joined: Mar 13, 07 ♂	Nov 21, 11, 22:38 #15
Asking questions is how we learn.

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Edited by: mafketis Nov 21, 11, 22:41 #16

Chrzaszcz:

Do you mind me asking all these questions by the way? I feel a little embarrassed and troublesome by asking. :-(

I didn't get to answer here, but I generally love being able to help learners (farther back on the path than I am). By all means ask as many questions as you can!

Also, it's culturally appropriate. Polish people are mostly not the kind who are afraid to ask for help. Polish people much prefer to make direct requests (understanding that 'no' might be an answer) than hinting around hoping someone will guess. Keep asking!

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Edited by: strzyga Nov 21, 11, 22:41 #17

Chrzaszcz:

In essence, when do I use the verb in full - as in the first example (słychac), or słychacie, or (chodzic) or (chodzi) last example.

Ona lubi słuchać muzyki.
Czy wy lubicie słuchać muzyki?

You've got two verbs here. Just conjugate the first one and leave the second one alone. The first one (lubić) does the job, takes endings and so on. The second one does nothing, regardless of the person it remains in the same form - infinitive (słuchać).

The infinitive in Polish always ends with c or ć. It's the basic form of a verb, before you start to conjugate it. This is the form you can find in a dictionary.

If you look at the English sentences:
I like to read
He likes to read
We'd like to read
you can see the same principle in action: two verbs (to like and to read), the first one is conjugated (like, likes), the second one remains in the basic form (to read).

a.k.

Nov 21, 11, 22:44 #18

ReservoirDog:

infinitive:
1. czytac
2. słuchac
3. chodzić
as you see the infinitive forms of verbs end with "ć" or "c"

No one spotted that mistake so I must intervene. ReservoirDog could you give me examples of Polish verbs' infinitives which end with "c"? It's always "ć"!
Czytać, słuchać, chodzić, mówić, skakać, iść, rozmawiać. One can recognize a verb by the ć at the end of an infinitive form.

Chrzaszcz:

One lubią słuchac myzyki rockowej.... why isn't this ... One lubią słuchają myzyki rockowej....

Why do you think it should be One lubią słuchają muzyki rockowej....? Even in English you say: They like to listen rock music...

Chrzaszcz:

In the above one, why isn't the verb to read (czytac) declined?

That's the structure of such sentences. In English for example if you have two verbs you use a gerund or an infinitive form of the last verb depending on the kind of the preceding verb. In Polish it's the same we use always an infinitive with lubić while with hate (nienawidzić) you can use both - an infinitive and a gerund:
Nienawidzę gotowania! (I hate cooking!)
Nienawidzę gotować! (I hate to cook!)

a.k.

Nov 21, 11, 22:56 #19

a.k.:

No one spotted that mistake so I must intervene. ReservoirDog could you give me examples of Polish verbs' infinitives which end with "c"? It's always "ć"!

Ok, you were right, I've already found an example with c at the end by myself: "wlec" (to haul)! :)

Chrzaszcz:

o you mind me asking all these questions by the way? I feel a little embarrassed and troublesome by asking. :-(

We don't mind at all. It's what Polish people like for most - to lecture other people! Just look how many people responded :)

strzygaThreads: 4 Posts: 986 Joined: Apr 30, 08 ♀	Nov 21, 11, 22:56 #20
a.k.: No one spotted that mistake so I must intervene. ReservoirDog could you give me examples of Polish verbs' infinitives which end with "c"? It's always "ć"! I'm not RD, but here are some examples: piec, biec, strzec, strzyc, wlec, tłuc, móc.

peter_olsztynThreads: 8 Posts: 760 Joined: Apr 18, 07 ♂	Nov 21, 11, 23:00 #21
Chrzaszcz: I feel a little embarrassed and troublesome by asking. Any opportunity to learn English is worth to me ;)

ChrzaszczThreads: 19 Posts: 136 Joined: Jul 4, 11 ♂	Nov 21, 11, 23:13 #22
mafketis: Keep asking! Thanks again to all additional responders. (((Cyber hug))) You're all lovely.

mafketisThreads: 17 Posts: 1,880 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Nov 21, 11, 23:15 #23
Chrzaszcz: You're all lovely. There's no need to get all drippy..... (just keeding)

ReservoirDog	Nov 21, 11, 23:22 #24
I feel a little embarrassed and troublesome by asking. "Przeżywasz jak mrówka okres" ;)

ChrzaszczThreads: 19 Posts: 136 Joined: Jul 4, 11 ♂	Nov 21, 11, 23:24 #25
mafketis: (just keeding) ... just kidding...

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Nov 25, 11, 19:38 #26

Could anyone check these answers. please?
Must provide the correct verb (infinitive?) - I'm not at all confident. My answers are in bold.

1. (ty) bierzasz kredyt na dom? (brac).
2. On zawsze bardzo krótko śpie - tylko 5 - 6 godzin. (spać).
3. W niedzielę zawsze (ja) śpi do dziesiątej. (spać).
4. W weekend (my) jedziemy na wyciezkę do Zakopanego. (jechać).
5. (Wy) Idiecie dzisiaj z nami do kina? (iść).
6. Do której godziny (ty) spicie w sobotę. (spac).
7. Pan Wojek jedzie jutro na konferencę do Zzczencina. (isc).
8. Jutro (ja) idę do muzeum. (isc).
9. Andrzej mili się zawsze bardzo dlugo. (myć się).
10. Czy (wy) bierzecie kredyt na samochód? (brac).

We have to provide the correct verbs again - either spotykać się z czy spotykać.

1. Często (ja) spotkam się z tego mężczyznę w parku.
2. Nigdy cię nie (ja) spotykać na uniwersytecie! Nie studiujesz już.
3. W piąki zawsze (my) spotkamy się z snajomymi w kluie.
4. Wiem, że Agata pracuje w centrum, bo często ją tam spotkytać.
5. Czy Andrzej często spotka się Anią.

I would be grateful for any help. Many thanks!

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Edited by: catsoldier Nov 25, 11, 20:29 #27

1.bierzesz
2.śpi

Here you could type in the infinitive to check your answers. All the conjugations are given as far as I know.
http://www.sjp.pl/
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I find searching google more interesting though, I searched for ona śpi which turned up some interesting results which may help with remembering ona śpi. If ona śpi was wrong you would get a suggestion for something close to what you wrote or else you would get no results or very few which would tell you that you are wrong.

http://www.fakt.pl/Ona-spi-po-10-dni-Jej-zycie-to-koszmar-FILM,artykul y,89882,1.html
Ona śpi po 10 dni! Jej życie to koszmar!
Louisa Ball cierpi na rzadką chorobę! To syndrom Kleinego-Levina! 16-latka śpi nawet po 10 dni non stop! Potem wybudza się i przez kilkanaście dni przeżywa okres silnego pobudzenia, żeby za jakiś czas znowu zapaść w długi sen. Czy słynna bajkowa Śpiąca Królewna cierpiała na tę samą chorobę?

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Edited by: strzyga Nov 25, 11, 22:09 #28

Chrzaszcz:

1. (ty) bierzasz kredyt na dom? (brac).

bierzesz

Chrzaszcz:

2. On zawsze bardzo krótko śpie - tylko 5 - 6 godzin. (spać).

śpi

Chrzaszcz:

3. W niedzielę zawsze (ja) śpi do dziesiątej. (spać).

śpię

Chrzaszcz:

4. W weekend (my) jedziemy na wyciezkę do Zakopanego. (jechać).

ok

Chrzaszcz:

5. (Wy) Idiecie dzisiaj z nami do kina? (iść).

idziecie

Chrzaszcz:

6. Do której godziny (ty) spicie w sobotę. (spac).

śpisz

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7. Pan Wojek jedzie jutro na konferencę do Zzczencina. (isc).

ok but you used jechać, not iść

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8. Jutro (ja) idę do muzeum. (isc).

ok

Chrzaszcz:

9. Andrzej mili się zawsze bardzo dlugo. (myć się).

myje się

Chrzaszcz:

10. Czy (wy) bierzecie kredyt na samochód? (brac).

ok

Chrzaszcz:

1. Często (ja) spotkam się z tego mężczyznę w parku.

spotykam tego mężczyznę

Chrzaszcz:

2. Nigdy cię nie (ja) spotykać na uniwersytecie! Nie studiujesz już.

spotykam

Chrzaszcz:

3. W piąki zawsze (my) spotkamy się z snajomymi w kluie.

spotykamy się ze znajomymi

Chrzaszcz:

4. Wiem, że Agata pracuje w centrum, bo często ją tam spotkytać.

spotykam

Chrzaszcz:

5. Czy Andrzej często spotka się Anią.

spotyka się z

ChrzaszczThreads: 19 Posts: 136 Joined: Jul 4, 11 ♂	Edited by: Chrzaszcz Nov 25, 11, 23:17 #29
catsoldier Hey catsoldier, thanks for that useful website - it looks great!

ChrzaszczThreads: 19 Posts: 136 Joined: Jul 4, 11 ♂	Nov 25, 11, 23:26 #30
Thanks strzyga 20% - not great! I will try and work out where I went wrong!

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